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Cornish! Ethnicity is Hakka/Cornish.
Phugoid
Yes, exactly my point, tbh.
I refuse to be proud of something that I had nothing to do with, and was the purest of accidents? Why should I bother being proud of being this ethnicity or that ethnicity, when I know that it's completely random, and I would think the same thing about a different place if things had been different.
But yes, the borders which mark out one country from another are imaginary. Nothing but a concept. A mass delusion if you will. The same way money isn't ACTUALLY worth anything (it's paper), but we all agree to pretend it is.
I refuse to be proud of something that I had nothing to do with, and was the purest of accidents? Why should I bother being proud of being this ethnicity or that ethnicity, when I know that it's completely random, and I would think the same thing about a different place if things had been different.
But yes, the borders which mark out one country from another are imaginary. Nothing but a concept. A mass delusion if you will. The same way money isn't ACTUALLY worth anything (it's paper), but we all agree to pretend it is.
Society relies upon so called 'concepts' such as money and borders to sustain itself. This is hardly a case of mass delusion, currency is the result of a long process of societal development and competition between states has shaped the world we live in today. Society itself, our ability to organise ourselves in a coherent yet complex way, is one of humanities greatest achievements.
Furthermore, borders are very real, they separate different groupings of people from one another, often people who have developed their own cultural identity over the course of history. The borders define where one group ends and another begins, and our collective achievement in creating a largely stable world where borders are respected and peace is maintained (particularly in Europe) is to be commended. Just look into the past, the world was not always as stable as it is today.
L i b
Yeah, I'm afraid I just don't agree with you on that one. Tea especially is quintessentially British, not just English to me - about as British as you get without a furry hat and an odd-coloured telephone box.
Think about it this way - would an American associate tea with the Scots? i don't think so. Do they associate it with the English? i think so. I mean, one of the most well known teas around the world is English Breakfast tea. There isn't a Scottish breakfast tea (or Welsh for that matter.) And then there's Yorkshire Tea. There isn't to my knowledge a famous tea named after a Scottish or Welsh county. Also, the brand Twinings of London - the brand seems very English to me. The use of Stephen Fry in their adverts demonstrates this. To me he is as English as they come. There is the Unilever brand Scottish Blend which advertises itself as being 'no ordinary tea. Created in 1990 [!], it was the first tea specially blended to match the softness of Scotland’s water – for a taste the Scots preferred.' Here, all Scots apparently prefer this kind of tea. We can only assume that the tea they prefer it to is traditional, and therefore 'normal', English tea.
Also, i don't often hear the phrase quintessentially British; quintessentially English is much more common. If you type in the first phrase on Google, you get 86,800 results. If you type in the second, you get 195,000. I think tea drinking is much more quintessentially English. Scotch whiskey is the Scottish national drink; tea is England's. The Scottish Blend website states that 'Tea was first imported in England between 1652 and 1654 and quickly replaced ale as the national drink'. It doesn't anywhere claim that it also replaced Scotch whiskey as the national drink of Scotland.
Phugoid
Again with this 'English' blood thing.
Argh.
Argh.
Well every time I or someone else claims to be English on TSR some idiot says that I can't call myself that unless I or one of my parents is English, preferably both.
AP_89
'English' is ethnicity, it's what a person is. You're British.
I am not British lol. I do not live in Britain, I live in England. I was not raised in Britain, I was raised in England. I am mixed therefore I have no pure "ancestral race" and I'm not going to choose one half or the other. So I choose English
danny d
Think about it this way - would an American associate tea with the Scots? i don't think so.
No, the associate it with the British. Equally I doubt tea would be particularly associated with Cheshire - because it's British-wide.
I mean, one of the most well known teas around the world is English Breakfast tea. There isn't a Scottish breakfast tea (or Welsh for that matter.)
There certainly is. As well as an Irish breakfast tea.
And then there's Yorkshire Tea. There isn't to my knowledge a famous tea named after a Scottish or Welsh county.
There's one named after Edinburgh, at least.
Also, the brand Twinings of London - the brand seems very English to me. The use of Stephen Fry in their adverts demonstrates this.
"I feel myself Norfolk before I feel myself England, and England before I feel myself Britain and so on, that it is possible to have multiple identities." - Stephen Fry
Does that make it a Norfolkesque brand rather than and English one?
To me he is as English as they come. There is the Unilever brand Scottish Blend which advertises itself as being 'no ordinary tea. Created in 1990 [!], it was the first tea specially blended to match the softness of Scotland’s water – for a taste the Scots preferred.' Here, all Scots apparently prefer this kind of tea. We can only assume that the tea they prefer it to is traditional, and therefore 'normal', English tea.
Nothing more than a marketing gimmick.
Also, i don't often hear the phrase quintessentially British; quintessentially English is much more common.
It's not a 'phrase', it's two words put together to create a meaning.
Scotch whiskey
That's an oxymoron actually.
It doesn't anywhere suggest that it also replaced Scotch whiskey as the national drink of Scotland.
That's because you're giving whisky a pretended status in Scotland. Tea could not replace whisky - they were drunk for completely different reasons. As in England, tea was used as a substitute for beer in Scotland, which was the ordinary, daytime drink of the time. Indeed, there was a moral panic over it.
L i b
Er, you do realise what you're saying is indisputable nonsense, don't you?
haha that is exactly what i was thinking!
L i b
Er, you do realise what you're saying is indisputable nonsense, don't you?
Fusilero
That's some party trick right there, being in England but not in Britain. Next you're going to try being in Germany but not in Europe?
Okay you guys know what I mean
I just meant that I am not living in four places at once, I was born and raised in this one country (England) and do not identify with Ireland, Scotland or Wales since I have never been there and feel no sense of community with the people from those places.
rockrunride
Unless Northern Irish, someone Irish is absolutely not British. Sorry to go on like a broken record, but I feel staunchly about it.
Sorry that mad me laugh so hard. No offence intended ofcourse - It just reminded me of a conversation I had with my dad.
Edit: no idea why I just shared that!
Allthewayhome
Sorry that mad me laugh so hard. No offence intended ofcourse - It just reminded me of a conversation I had with my dad.
Edit: no idea why I just shared that!
Edit: no idea why I just shared that!
I felt weird using the word as well, it's not one I go for usually
rockrunride
I felt weird using the word as well, it's not one I go for usually
No, it just my local sensibilities bursting to the surface and not the word itself.
The only time you will here a local coatbridgian(my home town) calling someone "staunch" around the this particular time in July is someones faith and commitment to the Orange order.
Usually the comparison is made between a "stauch orangeman or protestant" (though both are not mutually inclusive) and "devout catholic" in the media/local chitchat but in a sign of protest my dad wanted to be referred to as a staunch catholic since he thought it was daft that these contrived phrases are always be hurled about with little thought or redress and I must agree that he's right. The media always seem to make a meal out of something or label/"pigeon hole" everyone.
Tis very silly. You'll probs not get it but I'm afraid that's what happens when you live in the goldfish bowl that is the west of Scotland
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