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Again, about job prospects

I know this question has been asked loads of times, but I just wanted to make it clear, maybe by looking at some data. I mean, nowadays I read lots of different opinions about job prospects by getting a maths degree: someone says even if you get a degree in a top uni, it may still be hard finding a job, and others who claim to have had already job offers while still studying!

So, can you clerify it? I would just love to see some data, for example something showing the percentage of people who graduated in maths and got a job in a short time!

Thanks in advance for your help, I hope to get some good info! :smile:

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Most of the data from newspaper league tables shows the percentage of graduates who found graduate level work within six months. Unistats breaks it down further into what kind of work they are doing.
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Original post by Smack
Most of the data from newspaper league tables shows the percentage of graduates who found graduate level work within six months. Unistats breaks it down further into what kind of work they are doing.


Unfortunately I'm not British so I never read English newspapers, can someone please write a link to some data about getting a job after uni? For instance, I've only found this, but actually it doesn't seem really reliable: Cambridge has such a low chance of getting job according to this table, compared to University of Sussex which has the highest one! Is it true? Does it include all who graduated, I mean even those who continued their studies?

I really care about job prospects because here in Italy it seems so strange graduating in maths and finding a good job. I love maths and I would really love to know what I must be ready for! Anyway, it seems to be quite easy to find a job in England according to these data, on the whole.
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Original post by FFC94
I know this question has been asked loads of times, but I just wanted to make it clear, maybe by looking at some data.My experience is 20 years old, but back then there was a lot of annual fluctuation; very generous offers being made in the year above me, good in my year, and then in the subsequent year (when I was doing Part III), things were quite a bit worse again. As I understand it, things picked up again over the next couple of years.

So figures for this year may not be terribly relevant for when you graduate anyhow.
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Original post by DFranklin
My experience is 20 years old, but back then there was a lot of annual fluctuation; very generous offers being made in the year above me, good in my year, and then in the subsequent year (when I was doing Part III), things were quite a bit worse again. As I understand it, things picked up again over the next couple of years.

So figures for this year may not be terribly relevant for when you graduate anyhow.


That's definitely true, but I just wanted to know if a maths degree is really "marketable" nowadays: I'm really scared I won't do anything after my degree. Here in Italy you really do nothing with it, only teaching - and teachers are not in a good position, too. So, those data in the link I posted are really unbelievable to me. Is it just because I live in a totally different reality or are those data really exagerating too much?

Seriously, I don't want to charge my family for useless studies as studying in a top uni is of course onerous.

Anyway, thanks for your reply! :smile:
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Original post by FFC94
I know this question has been asked loads of times, but I just wanted to make it clear, maybe by looking at some data. I mean, nowadays I read lots of different opinions about job prospects by getting a maths degree: someone says even if you get a degree in a top uni, it may still be hard finding a job, and others who claim to have had already job offers while still studying!

So, can you clerify it? I would just love to see some data, for example something showing the percentage of people who graduated in maths and got a job in a short time!

Thanks in advance for your help, I hope to get some good info! :smile:




This is from imperial college-http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/careers/resources/destinations/undergraduates/mathematics

I think your likelihood of getting a job just depends on how well you prepare yourself whilst you are at uni and what job you apply for. There's no particular degree that automatically guarantees a job apart from vocational courses (eg medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, nursing, etc) or perhaps an oxbridge degree!


Most people generally pepare their CVs well ahead of graduation-eg by securing internships, getting prizes, making sure you get at least a 2:1, hobbies, etc.

No matter what degree you do, you still have to beat the competition out there and the only way to do that is to get your CV ready. Deciding early on what you want to do obviously helps.

Hope it helps.
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I never get the point of these statistics, surely its about how well YOU do and what work experience YOU get and what type of jobs YOU are looking for in the end???
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Original post by pappymajek
This is from imperial college-http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/careers/resources/destinations/undergraduates/mathematics

I think your likelihood of getting a job just depends on how well you prepare yourself whilst you are at uni and what job you apply for. There's no particular degree that automatically guarantees a job apart from vocational courses (eg medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, nursing, etc) or perhaps an oxbridge degree!


Most people generally pepare their CVs well ahead of graduation-eg by securing internships, getting prizes, making sure you get at least a 2:1, hobbies, etc.

No matter what degree you do, you still have to beat the competition out there and the only way to do that is to get your CV ready. Deciding early on what you want to do obviously helps.

Hope it helps.


Thank you very much! It is a really interesting page! And yes, I agree with you, it's all about having a generally good CV :smile: well, it is great to see mathematicians are not badly regarded.


Original post by HaNzY
I never get the point of these statistics, surely its about how well YOU do and what work experience YOU get and what type of jobs YOU are looking for in the end???


Well, I think that it does matter what degree you have done... I mean, a mathematician has definitely different attitudes and knowledge from, say, a lawyer. If lawyers are much-sought whilst mathematicians are not, it wouldn't benefit that much graduating in maths (in terms of job prospects, of course).
Of course, this is my point of view! :smile:
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Original post by FFC94
Thank you very much! It is a really interesting page! And yes, I agree with you, it's all about having a generally good CV :smile: well, it is great to see mathematicians are not badly regarded.




Well, I think that it does matter what degree you have done... I mean, a mathematician has definitely different attitudes and knowledge from, say, a lawyer. If lawyers are much-sought whilst mathematicians are not, it wouldn't benefit that much graduating in maths (in terms of job prospects, of course).
Of course, this is my point of view! :smile:

http://unistats.direct.gov.uk/ - go to this website it gives a very detailed information of the maths courses of most unis.
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Original post by FFC94


Well, I think that it does matter what degree you have done... I mean, a mathematician has definitely different attitudes and knowledge from, say, a lawyer. If lawyers are much-sought whilst mathematicians are not, it wouldn't benefit that much graduating in maths (in terms of job prospects, of course).
Of course, this is my point of view! :smile:


Well no it doesn't because you may want to do something specific with maths, therefore you will have to do a maths degree, but even if there are less prospects with one course than another, it really depends what YOU want to do afterwards on the choice of degree to take. Because if you want to be a cosmologist, you take a cosmology degree, their probably aren't many other things you can do with a cosmology degree but should that matter if you want to be a cosmologist?? No it shouldn't. That is what I am trying to say. If you know what you want to do after, why does it even matter what the statistics of previous people have done? As long as you know how to get where you want to be, it really doesn't matter.
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Getting a job after your degree is a struggle for everybody. However, from personal experience and that of my friends, I can definitely say that a Maths degree is among one of the most well-regarded (as long as you land at least a 2:1). This doesn't mean you don't have to work hard to secure a role, but you have an advantage. You have to market yourself, and whatever skills you gained from your degree; not the other way around.

Good luck :smile:
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Original post by anshul95
http://unistats.direct.gov.uk/ - go to this website it gives a very detailed information of the maths courses of most unis.


Thank you!! I'll have a look at it as soon as it is restored! :biggrin:

Original post by HaNzY
Well no it doesn't because you may want to do something specific with maths, therefore you will have to do a maths degree, but even if there are less prospects with one course than another, it really depends what YOU want to do afterwards on the choice of degree to take. Because if you want to be a cosmologist, you take a cosmology degree, their probably aren't many other things you can do with a cosmology degree but should that matter if you want to be a cosmologist?? No it shouldn't. That is what I am trying to say. If you know what you want to do after, why does it even matter what the statistics of previous people have done? As long as you know how to get where you want to be, it really doesn't matter.


That could be partly true, but nowadays it doesn't seem to be that possible to do right what you want... unfortunately!

Original post by -Aimee-
Getting a job after your degree is a struggle for everybody. However, from personal experience and that of my friends, I can definitely say that a Maths degree is among one of the most well-regarded (as long as you land at least a 2:1). This doesn't mean you don't have to work hard to secure a role, but you have an advantage. You have to market yourself, and whatever skills you gained from your degree; not the other way around.

Good luck :smile:

Well, that seems strage to me, but it is definitely good to hear! So it is true that in England a maths degree is generally sought! :smile:
Thank you!
Original post by -Aimee-
Getting a job after your degree is a struggle for everybody. However, from personal experience and that of my friends, I can definitely say that a Maths degree is among one of the most well-regarded (as long as you land at least a 2:1). This doesn't mean you don't have to work hard to secure a role, but you have an advantage. You have to market yourself, and whatever skills you gained from your degree; not the other way around.

Good luck :smile:


That just about sums it up yes, well said Aimee. One thing though I find the 2.2 graduates have to put that bit more work in, often looking for smaller or less obvious companies. A utility company asked me advice on how they should go about selecting suitable 2.2 maths graduates, as they were finding it hard to compete for 2.1 grads. Probably if the truth be told many graduates with a 3rd should probably in retrospect have chosen a different degree. On the other hand those, when I talk to them after few years have found an interesting and productive job and often using their mathematical training (often they can do maths but are were not so good at studying or exams!)
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Original post by FFC94
I know this question has been asked loads of times, but I just wanted to make it clear, maybe by looking at some data. I mean, nowadays I read lots of different opinions about job prospects by getting a maths degree: someone says even if you get a degree in a top uni, it may still be hard finding a job, and others who claim to have had already job offers while still studying!

A lot depends on what type of job you are interested in. For example, in the UK, the financial services (and related industries) and IT sectors are massive recruiters of mathematically trained graduates. If you are interested in a career in this areas, there are lots of options available to good graduates. If your interests and personal motivation lie outside of these areas, it can be harder to find work because the numbers of openings are much smaller and, in very specialist areas, you might have to be quite exceptional with specific skills to get one of those jobs. The key thing is ... do your research and do it EARLY.
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Original post by BillLionheart
That just about sums it up yes, well said Aimee. One thing though I find the 2.2 graduates have to put that bit more work in, often looking for smaller or less obvious companies. A utility company asked me advice on how they should go about selecting suitable 2.2 maths graduates, as they were finding it hard to compete for 2.1 grads. Probably if the truth be told many graduates with a 3rd should probably in retrospect have chosen a different degree. On the other hand those, when I talk to them after few years have found an interesting and productive job and often using their mathematical training (often they can do maths but are were not so good at studying or exams!)


Well, that's good to hear that! If you really want a job, it seems like you can get it - working hard of course!
Thank you for sharing this! :smile:

Original post by shiny
A lot depends on what type of job you are interested in. For example, in the UK, the financial services (and related industries) and IT sectors are massive recruiters of mathematically trained graduates. If you are interested in a career in this areas, there are lots of options available to good graduates. If your interests and personal motivation lie outside of these areas, it can be harder to find work because the numbers of openings are much smaller and, in very specialist areas, you might have to be quite exceptional with specific skills to get one of those jobs. The key thing is ... do your research and do it EARLY.


Actually, I don't know that much about finance - almost anything! lol - so I can't say it surely... but the little I know and I've heard, well, sounds really interesting! :smile:
And I'll keep it in mind: start my research early, even before graduating! :smile:
Thank you too, reading this encourages me a lot!
Original post by FFC94

And I'll keep it in mind: start my research early, even before graduating! :smile:


It is already the norm to start researching into a graduate career long before graduation. You'll have to start sooner than that!
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Original post by Smack
It is already the norm to start researching into a graduate career long before graduation. You'll have to start sooner than that!


I'll do my best to start as soon as possible! :P Thank you! :smile:
Original post by FFC94
I'll do my best to start as soon as possible! :P Thank you! :smile:


If you are interested in working in investment banks you should apply for spring weeks when you first get to university, and early in your second year apply for internships. If you are doing an MMath you have more time, everything a year later!

In any case the best way to get a graduate job is to apply for internships early in your penultimate year. Even if you don't get one applying for one is really useful. Applications for graduate positions start early in your final year (September). For the some of the highly competitive jobs maths students go for, eg finance related and oil industry, the most sought after vacancies are filled early.

At Manchester just making sure the students apply early has made a big difference in the students getting the sort of job they want, starting when they graduate.
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Original post by BillLionheart
If you are interested in working in investment banks you should apply for spring weeks when you first get to university, and early in your second year apply for internships. If you are doing an MMath you have more time, everything a year later!

In any case the best way to get a graduate job is to apply for internships early in your penultimate year. Even if you don't get one applying for one is really useful. Applications for graduate positions start early in your final year (September). For the some of the highly competitive jobs maths students go for, eg finance related and oil industry, the most sought after vacancies are filled early.

At Manchester just making sure the students apply early has made a big difference in the students getting the sort of job they want, starting when they graduate.


I don't quite get it, I should apply when I enter university? And what should I tell them? What should I write in my CV? I wouldn't be even considered... or am I wrong? Probably I'm missing something, I don't understand how things work if you can apply even before studying...! Can you point this out, please? I would really appreciate it!
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Original post by FFC94
I don't quite get it, I should apply when I enter university? And what should I tell them? What should I write in my CV? I wouldn't be even considered... or am I wrong? Probably I'm missing something, I don't understand how things work if you can apply even before studying...! Can you point this out, please? I would really appreciate it!

Spring Weeks is a series of pre-internship events held by the big banks to introduce new undergraduates to the investment banking business (it involves a week or two of work shadowing, case studies, networking, etc). Obviously at this stage it is not so much high level qualifications they are looking for (although you would be expected to have done very well in your A Levels or equivalents as well as attending a strong uni) but enthusiasm for the business. These are held in the "Spring" so to participate this year you would have needed to apply last Oct/Nov -- if you missed it then you've missed it. It is not essential for a career in investment banking but it is a relatively new device being used by some of the big banks to help with their recruitment.
(edited 13 years ago)

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