Corbyn insults 9/11 victims

Ah, politics, eh?
What I can't understand is why people from different positions always seem to be arguing and making stuff up about the other side, trying to score political points.
That's why I now vote Green.

No idea what this is about

Don't you remember that time QE2 started saying pro-Islamic crap and being highly offensive about the victims of the Paris attacks? I thought something was really wrong. There's a girl who uses his account.

You can kind of tell the difference because he's highly intelligent, articulate and quite circumspect in his opinions (and doesn't really go on the politics forums) whereas she is gobby and opinionated and trolls the politics forums with anti-Israel, anti-Western pro-Al Qaeda propaganda. I'm guessing the reason she wants to use his account is because of all those gems, she wants to be able to say things and be taken seriously. Unfortunately he doesn't change his password, which leads me to guess he's been whipped by the poon-tang

Edit: to the real QE2, I'm sorry dude, but I can't let pro-Islamist propaganda be allowed to propagate on these forums without an emphatic counterattack. I do like all of your other stuff

I think you may be confusing me with someone else.

Isn't it interesting, though, that the hard left attack the West when they interfere in other countries (like Iraq), when the West sanctions them and refuses to trade with them, but the hard left also goes on the attack because we don't try to undermine and topple the House of Saud.

The mindset of most Islamists and fellow travellers is that they absolutely hate the House of Saud and attack the West for associating with it, but if the West ever tried to undermine or attack Saud they would immediately flock to the Saudi banner. All they care about is opposing the West, and where has it got them? The Middle East has been devastated by their bloodlust and sectarianism

Yup, you're definitely not QE2. He doesn't even like going on the politics forums and usually stays on the religion forums. And then you're making other comments like that the 7/7 attacks had nothing to do with Islam... you're definitely the hard left pro-Islamist woman who sometimes gets to use his account, no doubt about it.

Good point. Only attacks claimed by ISIS kill and maim and foment suspicion and division. The 7/7 attacks had nothing to do with Islamism and violent jihad.
The bombers even left videos where they specifically stated that their actions had nothing to do with Islam or martyrdom, and contained no Islamist imagery or references to Allah and Muhammad.

This. It's the element that he knew his words would get closely scrutinised yet still decided to go with something that would get certain factions foaming at the mouth.

It's not vicious, just thick.

And, btw, you could easily decide to interpret the words as being directed at the victims of, amongst other incidents, the 7/7 bombings. Or the lives of the servicemen and women lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. Odd how you all don't instantly jump to that thought, isn't it...?

We are attacking him because he is disgustingly shoehorning his far left politics on a day that is supposed to be about the victims, not about him and his extremism. And Corbyn has form for this, he always obnoxiously shoehorns his politics into these things with a churlish little bit of whataboutery.

So when he was asked (reasonably, given his history supporting them) to condemn the IRA, he merely said "I condemn all forms of violence, including violence by the British military". When asked to condemn anti-semitism, he says "I condemn all forms of racism". It's a pathetic, immature little move that's like "I'm not going to be told what to say by anyone". It also shows how completely inflexible and dogmatic he is, and ultimately how little he cares about things like anti-semitism and people whose family members have been killed by terrorists.

It's also very revealing how dismissive you are of their deaths. By the way, it was close to 3,000 not 2,000. But let's not allow your aching ignorance of the history of the last 15 years to get in the way, shall we? By the way, there's absolutely nohting wrong with caring more about people who are closer to you, whether family, friends or countrymen. British Muslims do that all the time; they care more about what happens in Palestine than in Peterborough. And unless you cry just as much about a random dead person as you would for your own parents, then you're hypocrite for asserting that somehow those 2,997 killed and 6,000 seriously injured should mean no more to us than anyone else in the world.

He just couldn't bring himself to memorialise their death without shoehorning in some anti-Western crap

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn_uk_57d5b55ae4b0d45ff8722418

It's because of nonsense like this that he'll never be Prime Minister. He's simply incapable of behaving like a normal person.

So you're complaining about a politician tweeting something that was very slightly political?

I can't say I like Corbyn or Labour, but the hate campaign against the man is getting ridiculous.

Criticising the War on Terror is 'nonsense' and 'crap'? Let's get one thing straight: 9/11 was a bad thing, an attack on innocent people.But it's not even in the same league of evil as the War on Terror, the worst calamity of the 21st Century so far. And I'm not trying to defend terrorists: I am against terrorism in all its forms. Sometimes when you try to fight fire with fire, all you get is more fire. And the War on Terror wasn't so much fighting fire with fire, as finding out that your chip pan is on fire, then going to your neighbour's house, shooting them in the head, stealing their jewelry and credit card, then uprooting the mains gas pipe and blowing your whole street to kingdom come to cover the evidence of your crime.

The whole "West attacking Islam" narrative in nonsensical as well.

It clearly ignores the fact that NATO's last two interventions pre-2001 were to prevent genocide and ethnic cleansing against Muslims.

Do you mean this?...

Apparently, I was wrong.
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I really hate how cleverly and successfully the Islamist propagandists were able to twist western actions so easily into the "West hates and wishes to destroy Islam" narrative. Of course, it didn't help that the second Bush Iraq campaign was so badly thought through (the first one probably was as well incidentally), but there's a huge failure here to reach the Arab street and explain actions. In a way though, if it proves anything, it proves that the US grip on global media has some big holes in it and one is the Middle East.

The other thing is that there is some truth in the narrative from a historical perspective, because the West has long sponsored and defended the Arab plutocracies in Saudi and the Gulf that are indescribably corrupt and anti-progressive.

Yup, you're definitely a girl and displaying the same sort of airhead-y mentality we saw last time his account was taken over.

This isn't the time or the place for that. He has 364 days of the year to s lag off America and call them the bad guys. It's like speaking to memorialise the victims of Hiroshima on its anniversary and goimg " rest in peace to the victims of the bomb....but also the Chinese the Japanese massacred during the war."

Drop that crap for 2 seconds and have some respect*

putting on the same level terrorist organisations and democratic States (whatever their defaults) is terminally absurd

Foreign policy exists in a totally separate domain to democracy,

because there isn't a voting populace in the world which gives a damn about people in other countries to the extent that they would be prepared to oppose a foreign war at the expense of damaging their own prosperity (the sole exception being the Scottish electorate. We are the ancient Greece of the modern world, the shining light of reason and hope for a better future).

I really hate how cleverly and successfully the Islamist propagandists were able to twist western actions so easily into the "West hates and wishes to destroy Islam" narrative. Of course, it didn't help that the second Bush Iraq campaign was so badly thought through (the first one probably was as well incidentally), but there's a huge failure here to reach the Arab street and explain actions. In a way though, if it proves anything, it proves that the US grip on global media has some big holes in it and one is the Middle East. The other thing is that there is some truth in the narrative from a historical perspective, because the West has long sponsored and defended the Arab plutocracies in Saudi and the Gulf that are indescribably corrupt and anti-progressive.

Bachar and Saddam were doing a fine job killing their own people before the American invasion of Irak. Blaming them for all the deaths that have occurred in this area is slightly exaggerated.