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Reply 20

Age_of_Innocence

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OP do a Msci with a year in industry if you're that worried.

Reply 21

biomedical sue

GodspeedGehenna

Resits are capped at 40% at university.

Silly school child.

This. And you only resit if you fail a module, not to improve the grade. Silly child indeed.

Reply 22

biomedical sue

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Reply 23

Jennie1987

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GodspeedGehenna

Resits are capped at 40% at university.

Silly school child.

my exact thoughts

Sharpshooter

Ha brilliant so what his job prospects like? Because he will always still have that third.

Postgrad > undergrad. Once you've got your post grad, in engineering, your undergrad becomes irrelevant.

And once you've spent a few years in the field, your degree becomes largely irrelevant as well.

Reply 25

RBarack

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FranticMind

Entry requirements for a BEng are lower than an MEng. But I have been told by senior lecturers and admissions that people take an MSc because they need to cover up their lesser degrees.

Not my words.

Either you made this up (highly likely) or your lecturers are thick. I'm fully capable of doing the MEng, but i'd rather do the BEng + MSc for personal reasons..

The differences are very straightforward:

1. MEng is an undergraduate qualification. The last year is general, covering the broad aspects of your degree (i.e. Civil, Mechanical, Aeronautical, EE etc.)

2. The MSc is a postgraduate qualification. In most cases, it is specialized. For instance, as a Civil Engineerging student, I might want to take an MSc in Concrete structures at ICL - which is fully accredited for chartership by the institute of civil engineers.

Do bear in mind that there is extreme flexibility, at every university offering an MEng, to switch between the BEng and MEng usually within the first 2 years, provided that you're able to secure at least a 55% average.

Reply 26

RBarack

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Smack

An MSc is above an MEng.

NO.

Reply 27

RBarack

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booraad

If you do a Masters or gain further experience in industry it will certainly boost your chances. I know a guy who gained a 3rd class degree at UCL in EE and who later completed a PhD there after gaining a distinction in his Masters.

That, I really can't believe. Sorry but i'm always skeptical.

Surely if you have a 3rd class degree, you're rather rubbish in whatever field it was. To get less than 50% is very poor.

Why would UCL accept a 3rd class BEng/MEng for entry onto an MSc, let alone a PhD?

You later on refer to him doing work in Harvard. Sorry but I can't believe any of what you're saying, you're misleading people on this forum. Even if it were true, it's a one in a million case, and you're undoubtedly deceiving the OP.

Reply 28

booraad

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RBarack

That, I really can't believe. Sorry but i'm always skeptical.

Surely if you have a 3rd class degree, you're rather rubbish in whatever field it was. To get less than 50% is very poor.

Why would UCL accept a 3rd class BEng/MEng for entry onto an MSc, let alone a PhD?

You later on refer to him doing work in Harvard. Sorry but I can't believe any of what you're saying, you're misleading people on this forum. Even if it were true, it's a one in a million case, and you're undoubtedly deceiving the OP.

I'm not lying. I have no reason to lie. As I mentioned before, the guy I know was offered a PhD in a niche area on the back of the fact that he gained a publication in his 3rd year at UCL (relevant later as it is in the same area of study as his PhD) and completed a relevant Masters (at a different university) for which he gained a distinction. EE is a notoriously difficult course, much so at UCL and lucky for him his supervisor recognised his scope after he was able to get his study published as an undergraduate despite receiving a 3rd class degree overall. He has been sent to Harvard and across Europe for conventions and collaborations. I am not suggesting that he is a shining star in his field, but that because it is a niche area there are not hoards of individuals beating down the doors to complete research in the area.

Hence my suggestion to the OP to find a neglected area (across Physics as a whole), volunteer as an RA for someone working in this area and to go for it.

Reply 29

Pink Bullets

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katebushfan

Move to North America. A degree is a degree there.

Problem solved :wink:

.

What do you mean by this? Not all degrees are treated equally, and it's certainly not easy for all graduates to get jobs...

Reply 30

katebushfan

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Pink Bullets

What do you mean by this? Not all degrees are treated equally, and it's certainly not easy for all graduates to get jobs...

All I meant is that they don't have the 2:1, 2:2 or anything there, you either pass or fail your degree. So... they'd still just have the qualification if they went there. It wouldn't be a 'bad' qualification.

Of course it's not easy for all graduates to get jobs, and I think over there it more depends on what university you went to.

Reply 31

Pink Bullets

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katebushfan

All I meant is that they don't have the 2:1, 2:2 or anything there, you either pass or fail your degree. So... they'd still just have the qualification if they went there. It wouldn't be a 'bad' qualification.

Of course it's not easy for all graduates to get jobs, and I think over there it more depends on what university you went to.

No, you don't... you get a GPA (grade point average). Employers look at your GPA. It's a more precise 'version' so-to-speak of degree classifications.

RBarack

NO.

YES. MSc = proper postgrad studies over at least 12 months, very specialised; MEng = an extra 2 semesters (~8 months) on top of the BEng, not so specialised. The reason the MEng was introduced as an extended undergrad degree was to provide all the academic training required to reach chartership in one degree at the undergrad level.

But an MSc is still higher than an MEng.

Once again you're talking about things have you absolutely no idea on. Why does that not surprise me? :rolleyes:

Reply 33

trm90

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Smack

YES. MSc = proper postgrad studies over at least 12 months, very specialised; MEng = an extra 2 semesters (~8 months) on top of the BEng, not so specialised. The reason the MEng was introduced as an extended undergrad degree was to provide all the academic training required to reach chartership in one degree at the undergrad level.

But an MSc is still higher than an MEng.

Once again you're talking about things have you absolutely no idea on. Why does that not surprise me? :rolleyes:

Just quoting to agree, an MSc is very obviously better than an MEng. The only reason why you should do an MEng is if your university's department specialises in something you're interested in, to save money and to save the hassle of moving universities or becoming an official postgrad student.

Reply 34

katebushfan

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Pink Bullets

No, you don't... you get a GPA (grade point average). Employers look at your GPA. It's a more precise 'version' so-to-speak of degree classifications.

I think it's different in a lot of areas. It's not as strict as England. Some law schools in America only require you to get something above a D to get what would be a 2:1 out there. I don't know that employers actually look at the GPA either (I thought that was mainly for high school), I'm half Canadian and when I was looking at some universities the way they explained it is that you pretty much either pass or fail there, unlike in England.

Reply 35

RBarack

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trm90

Just quoting to agree, an MSc is very obviously better than an MEng. The only reason why you should do an MEng is if your university's department specialises in something you're interested in, to save money and to save the hassle of moving universities or becoming an official postgrad student.

Disagree. On what basis is an MSc better than an MEng? They are both masters qualifications, albeit fundamentally different (the MSc being a specialized qualification, whilst the MEng being a more general and applicable one). Both satisfy accreditation in the Institute of Civil Engineers, with neither bearing direct benefits (although do take into account that an MSc is more expensive). The only way in which I would agree with you is that several nations outside the EU do not accept the MEng as a postgraduate qualification for their own accreditation purposes; but still, this is being very quickly resolved.

Sorry but that is the most oblivious comment I have yet to come across in this forum. "An MSc is very obviously better than an MEng". I'm sorry but that just sounds incredibly naive and frankly.. stupid. How would you define 'better'?

You're essentially claiming that a BENg + MSc graduate is more qualified than an MEng graduate.

NO.

A masters is a masters. Let me reiterate - the MSc is a specialized programme. The MEng is more general. That is all. If the MSc was 'so obviously better' than the MEng, why don't all students take the MSc? Indeed you have to pay a little more for the MSc, but surely this would be deemed negligible if the MSc was so much better a qualification? It really isn't.

Civil engineering employers in particular regard both qualifications in the same light.

Last point: is an MEng Engineering graduate from Imperial less qualified than a BEng + MSc Imperial graduate for instance?

Reply 36

RBarack

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Smack

YES. MSc = proper postgrad studies over at least 12 months, very specialised; MEng = an extra 2 semesters (~8 months) on top of the BEng, not so specialised. The reason the MEng was introduced as an extended undergrad degree was to provide all the academic training required to reach chartership in one degree at the undergrad level.

But an MSc is still higher than an MEng.

Once again you're talking about things have you absolutely no idea on. Why does that not surprise me? :rolleyes:

Read my previous post ... :cool:

Check out these links.

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/pse/diveng/ugs/meng
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=714639

Whoever claims that a BEng + MSc is better than an MEng is spewing nonsense.
And who's to say longer course duration is more academic? I know a couple of MSc Chemical Engineering students who have had it so easy this year. In comparison, the MEng students are really struggling.

RBarack

Read my previous post ... :cool:

My idiot filter automatically filters them out. :cool:

Best thing I ever done!

RBarack

Sorry but that is the most oblivious comment I have yet to come across in this forum. "An MSc is very obviously better than an MEng". I'm sorry but that just sounds incredibly naive and frankly.. stupid. How would you define 'better'?

AHAHA that's rich coming from you!