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I'm Going To Get A 2:2 And I Feel Screwed:(

RBarack

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http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/pse/diveng/ugs/meng
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=714639

Whoever claims that a BEng + MSc is better than an MEng is spewing nonsense.
And who's to say longer course duration is more academic? I know a couple of MSc Chemical Engineering students who have had it so easy this year. In comparison, the MEng students are really struggling.

MSc is a slightly higher qualification than an MEng. We're talking in a purely academic sense here. Of course it doesn't matter regarding employers (99% of the time) - both are better than a BEng but due to the more specialised nature of an MSc it is slightly higher than an MEng. Although dare I say that the MEng would be more versatile and perhaps even more useful from an employers point of view.

RBarack

I literally raise an eyebrow at every one of your pathetic insults.

It's not an insult. It's pointing out the irony in someone who masturbates over league tables calling others naive and stupid.

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RBarack

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Smack

MSc is a slightly higher qualification than an MEng. We're talking in a purely academic sense here. Of course it doesn't matter regarding employers (99% of the time) - both are better than a BEng but due to the more specialised nature of an MSc it is slightly higher than an MEng. Although dare I say that the MEng would be more versatile and perhaps even more useful from an employers point of view.

In a purely academic sense? What the hell does that mean? Why can't you just stop embarrassing yourself?

RBarack

In a purely academic sense? What the hell does that mean? Why can't you just stop embarrassing yourself?

I thought that it would have been fairly obvious to someone at a 'top traditional' uni and who likes to try and make fun of other people's English what the word academic means.

Sadly not.

Reply 44

trm90

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RBarack

Disagree. On what basis is an MSc better than an MEng? They are both masters qualifications, albeit fundamentally different (the MSc being a specialized qualification, whilst the MEng being a more general and applicable one). Both satisfy accreditation in the Institute of Civil Engineers, with neither bearing direct benefits (although do take into account that an MSc is more expensive). The only way in which I would agree with you is that several nations outside the EU do not accept the MEng as a postgraduate qualification for their own accreditation purposes; but still, this is being very quickly resolved.

Sorry but that is the most oblivious comment I have yet to come across in this forum. "An MSc is very obviously better than an MEng". I'm sorry but that just sounds incredibly naive and frankly.. stupid. How would you define 'better'?

You're essentially claiming that a BENg + MSc graduate is more qualified than an MEng graduate.

NO.

A masters is a masters. Let me reiterate - the MSc is a specialized programme. The MEng is more general. That is all. If the MSc was 'so obviously better' than the MEng, why don't all students take the MSc? Indeed you have to pay a little more for the MSc, but surely this would be deemed negligible if the MSc was so much better a qualification? It really isn't.

Civil engineering employers in particular regard both qualifications in the same light.

Last point: is an MEng Engineering graduate from Imperial less qualified than a BEng + MSc Imperial graduate for instance?

Fine, I'll define 'better': an MSc student typically completes 50% more credits than an undergraduate student in a given year... Obviously in Engineering employers aren't going to discriminate much. But, TECHNICALLY, a BEng + MSc student is going to 'know more' than someone who has done an MEng. I'm not saying that is true, or that they are better students, I'm just saying that the fact that they have obviously completed more credits and done more course material means they will know more.

P.S. Chill, you're getting so worked up about this :wink:

And please refrain from telling me I've made the 'most oblivious comment on this forum'...

Reply 45

Byllie

Smack

That assumes that you'll pass the BEng with a 2:1 or above. Attaining the entry requirements i.e. being bothered to learn exam technique enough to get good grades in your A-levels/Highers is totally different to getting a good pass (2:1 or above) in an engineering degree, and then going on to pass an MSc.

Your senior lecturers are right, mostly. If I don't get onto the MEng course then that's exactly why I'll be doing an MSc.

BEng/MEng make no difference

Most sane universities will allow you to transfer from BEng to MEng and vice versa.

In fact I would suggest going onto a BEng at first so not to commit to anything you don't need to

Reply 46

RBarack

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trm90

Fine, I'll define 'better': an MSc student typically completes 50% more credits than an undergraduate student in a given year... Obviously in Engineering employers aren't going to discriminate much. But, TECHNICALLY, a BEng + MSc student is going to 'know more' than someone who has done an MEng. I'm not saying that is true, or that they are better students, I'm just saying that the fact that they have obviously completed more credits and done more course material means they will know more.

P.S. Chill, you're getting so worked up about this :wink:

And please refrain from telling me I've made the 'most oblivious comment on this forum'...

You're basing this purely on the fact that MSc students study 4 months longer than MEng students on their final year? To put things into perspective, the MSc students I know have it ever so easy compared to the MEng students.

Surely course duration cannot be the sole factor in determining academic prowess? I'm sorry but I disagree with " a BEng + MSc student is going to 'know more' than someone who has done an MEng". And may I reiterate, that is very short sighted (i'll refrain from using the term oblivious as you are so offended by it). Let's take Civil Engineering as an example. The MSc is specialized, so the MSc graduate is going to be academically strong in a particular field, say concrete structures. But he's missing out on a lot of general stuff that the MEng student covers - Geotechnical Engineering, Environmental Engineering, Structural Engineering etc.

trm90

Fine, I'll define 'better': an MSc student typically completes 50% more credits than an undergraduate student in a given year...

So? I was studying 20 plus hours a week, whilst an economics student would study no more than 15 hours a week. On that basis, does that necessarily make my degree 'better' than the Economics student? Of course not. Duration is by no means a factor in determining which degree is better than the other. Academic stature of a degree is determined by rigour as well as duration, and the MSc students that I know have it easier than their corresponding MEng counterparts.

P.S. Perhaps you should chill? :wink:

I enjoy healthy debate so i'm not worked up at all. :smile:

Reply 47

RBarack

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Byllie

BEng/MEng make no difference

Most sane universities will allow you to transfer from BEng to MEng and vice versa.

In fact I would suggest going onto a BEng at first so not to commit to anything you don't need to

This.

Reply 48

RBarack

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Smack

I thought that it would have been fairly obvious to someone at a 'top traditional' uni and who likes to try and make fun of other people's English what the word academic means.

Sadly not.

It was a rhetorical question ..

Byllie

BEng/MEng make no difference

Most sane universities will allow you to transfer from BEng to MEng and vice versa.

In fact I would suggest going onto a BEng at first so not to commit to anything you don't need to

Initially, it makes no difference, you are correct. Universities will allow you to transfer (usually up until second year) depending on your grades.

However, when it comes to the jobs market, yes, MEng/BEng makes a large difference with many employers. MEng students are preferred due to the greater depth of their academics and because it is much easier and cheaper to get them on the road to chartership (licenses and legal responsibilities sometimes require the presence of a chartered engineer).

I honestly cannot think of a single reason why, if given the chance, anyone would merely do the BEng instead of the MEng. It is not a greater commitment as once you've earned your BEng, you've earned your BEng and if you drop out after that, you've still got your BEng. It's not difficult either to meet the entry requirements for the vast majority of MEngs and provided you can keep up with the work you're unlikely to fail.

I will concede that it doesn't always matter whether you're a BEng or MEng for some jobs. I was talking to a guy that did interviews on Tuesday night at a meeting, and I was asking him that very question. He mainly shrugged and said 'meh'... but he was after experienced (i.e. at least 10 years) engineers, not someone straight out of uni. But he was the minority. The others all agreed that if you can do the MEng, do it. I don't know about other branches, but with mechanical we're having trouble getting the IEng (Incorporated Engineer, one rank below CEng) recognised by many other European countries.

Reply 50

kate03

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Try and stay positive - you're not far away from a 2.1 at 57%, and it would be worth looking at whether your uni reviews your mark if you're close to the next grade boundary. I know with my uni if you get 2% under (eg 58%) they will review your work and see if they can increase it to a 2.1. Practical experience counts for a lot too, so having the industrial placements will really go in your favour.

Good luck :smile:

RBarack

It was a rhetorical question ..

You obviously don't understand what a rhetorical question is either.

So? I was studying 20 plus hours a week, whilst an economics student would study no more than 15 hours a week. On that basis, does that necessarily make my degree 'better' than the Economics student?

For some things, yes.

Reply 52

RBarack

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Smack

Initially, it makes no difference, you are correct. Universities will allow you to transfer (usually up until second year) depending on your grades.

However, when it comes to the jobs market, yes, MEng/BEng makes a large difference with many employers. MEng students are preferred due to the greater depth of their academics and because it is much easier and cheaper to get them on the road to chartership (licenses and legal responsibilities sometimes require the presence of a chartered engineer).

I honestly cannot think of a single reason why, if given the chance, anyone would merely do the BEng instead of the MEng. It is not a greater commitment as once you've earned your BEng, you've earned your BEng and if you drop out after that, you've still got your BEng. It's not difficult either to meet the entry requirements for the vast majority of MEngs and provided you can keep up with the work you're unlikely to fail.

I will concede that it doesn't always matter whether you're a BEng or MEng for some jobs. I was talking to a guy that did interviews on Tuesday night at a meeting, and I was asking him that very question. He mainly shrugged and said 'meh'... but he was after experienced (i.e. at least 10 years) engineers, not someone straight out of uni. But he was the minority. The others all agreed that if you can do the MEng, do it. I don't know about other branches, but with mechanical we're having trouble getting the IEng (Incorporated Engineer, one rank below CEng) recognised by many other European countries.

A complete load of garbage.

There is no difference between the MEng and BEng + MSc.

An employer will not prefer one over the other. As long either masters courses are accredited by the relevant institute, they are the same.

Reply 53

RBarack

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Smack

You obviously don't understand what a rhetorical question is either.

For some things, yes.

Care to elaborate?

A 2:2 isn't the end of the world, seriously.

Reply 55

Antoney

Sharpshooter

Hi all,

Just finished my last exam today, currently averaging 57% however I know............... terrified at my prospects at life and feel absolutley miserable. :frown:

well i wish i could swap with you...i do Electrical and Electronic Engineering too and i've failed my 2nd year twice and will get kicked out.

if you anything like me your response will be "i don't care what other people have done"

I'm Going To Get A 2:2 And I Feel Screwed:(

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