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The Manchester United Thread VIII
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Original post by VQG
Win Blackburn and QPR, and City drop points to Arsenal and I feel safe purchasing this:
Absolute idiots, the people who are selling that.
We must win at Ewood Park, pile the pressure on City. Why must we wait until monday?
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Original post by Dan?
Absolute idiots, the people who are selling that.
We must win at Ewood Park, pile the pressure on City. Why must we wait until monday?
We must win at Ewood Park, pile the pressure on City. Why must we wait until monday?
Two weeks in a row on a Monday night now, the weekend feels long and wasted.
Good news today, though.
Quality seems to have dropped off again this year. Do you agree with this?
"Man City are well and truly bottling it. It's disgusting that a poor United team (by their standards) is going to win the league again."
Seeing that, it's remarkable the position we're in.
Original post by TheInvincibles14
"Man City are well and truly bottling it. It'sdisgusting amazing that a poor United team (by their standards) is going to win the league again."
Quality seems to have dropped off again this year. Do you agree with this?
"Man City are well and truly bottling it. It's
Quality seems to have dropped off again this year. Do you agree with this?
Fixed. You're looking at it from the wrong angle.
More to do with SAF than injuries. You have a huge squad so it's not a suprise that you've coped well despite consecutive injuries. Think it was Alan Hansen last season who said that if SAF was manager of any of the top six he would win the title for them and the same could be said for this season (if he was manager of City or Spurs they'd win the title).
Original post by TheInvincibles14
Quality seems to have dropped off again this year. Do you agree with this?
More points than at the same time last season says that Utd have improved. So sick of this poor quality nonsense - we have a better team than anyone in the league. Team spirit and management is key. We have the best in both categories.
Original post by TheInvincibles14
Quality seems to have dropped off again this year. Do you agree with this?
Man City are on the same number of points (71) that they gained through the whole of last season at the moment. If we don't spectacularly crumble then we should eclipse the number of points we won the title with last season. Both teams have improved. This Man Utd team is better than the won which won the league last season, if we judge it by points and the quality of football. Since the 1999 treble team, it seems each Man Utd team that has won the league has been labelled "poor by United standards".
I couldn't care less about the quality of the league, the question is: are we the best team in the league? As cliched as it sounds, the league table doesn't lie. People can bang on about Man City bottling it and blah blah but football isn't played on names on paper. Real Madrid consistently have the biggest names in world football but they haven't won the CL in about a decade and haven't won La Liga that consistently in the last decade.
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Original post by TheInvincibles14
More to do with SAF than injuries. You have a huge squad so it's not a suprise that you've coped well despite consecutive injuries. Think it was Alan Hansen last season who said that if SAF was manager of any of the top six he would win the title for them and the same could be said for this season (if he was manager of City or Spurs they'd win the title).
Nonsense from Hansen, unless he's making some major assumptions. First of all, SAF wouldn't go out and buy as many egos as City have gone out to buy. It's just not a squad that fits SAF's philosophy and I don't see how he'd cope, he'd probably offload half of the squad by January. As for Spurs, it's highly unlikely he'd be able to win the league with them. It is a squad that fits his philosophy, sort of, but it'd take a mammoth effort if it was the current squad (and it'd be near-impossible to retain it).
Original post by Kevmeister
More points than at the same time last season says that Utd have improved. So sick of this poor quality nonsense - we have a better team than anyone in the league. Team spirit and management is key. We have the best in both categories.
Or you could look at it from another perspective and say that United have more points compared to last season because the other teams in the division have become weaker and less consistent. Team spirit has always been there at United and the management has been dealt with by SAF, why is why I said in a previous post that he would lead the likes of City or Spurs to the title. Mancini especially hasn't managed to handle all the ego's in his squad.
I completely disagree with the point about you having a better team. Let's look at some glaring weaknesses of United: Fabio and Rafael should not be playing for the first team and have been thrown in the deep end and this has resulted in them under-performing, while they should have been eased in and allowed to develop (like AOC at AFC). This has resulted in them making mistakes. Evra has not been convincing either and many United fans have criticised him this season.
Now let's take a look at central-midfield: there is a gaping hole for a player such as Modric to come in and replace Scholes yet SAF is papering over the cracks by rotating the likes of Giggs and Scholes at CM and their experience has been guiding you to crucial results.
Original post by TheInvincibles14
Or you could look at it from another perspective and say that United have more points compared to last season because the other teams in the division have become weaker and less consistent. Team spirit has always been there at United and the management has been dealt with by SAF, why is why I said in a previous post that he would lead the likes of City or Spurs to the title. Mancini especially hasn't managed to handle all the ego's in his squad.
I completely disagree with the point about you having a better team. Let's look at some glaring weaknesses of United: Fabio and Rafael should not be playing for the first team and have been thrown in the deep end and this has resulted in them under-performing, while they should have been eased in and allowed to develop (like AOC at AFC). This has resulted in them making mistakes. Evra has not been convincing either and many United fans have criticised him this season.
Now let's take a look at central-midfield: there is a gaping hole for a player such as Modric to come in and replace Scholes yet SAF is papering over the cracks by rotating the likes of Giggs and Scholes at CM and their experience has been guiding you to crucial results.
I completely disagree with the point about you having a better team. Let's look at some glaring weaknesses of United: Fabio and Rafael should not be playing for the first team and have been thrown in the deep end and this has resulted in them under-performing, while they should have been eased in and allowed to develop (like AOC at AFC). This has resulted in them making mistakes. Evra has not been convincing either and many United fans have criticised him this season.
Now let's take a look at central-midfield: there is a gaping hole for a player such as Modric to come in and replace Scholes yet SAF is papering over the cracks by rotating the likes of Giggs and Scholes at CM and their experience has been guiding you to crucial results.
You can look at it any way you like, but the table doesn't ****ing lie.
Fabio hasn't played more than a dozen games, and Rafael has improved a great deal, so to criticise their game time is daft. You obviously haven't watched us that much if you think Rafael doesn't deserve a shot, as he has been better than both Smalling and Jones. AOC is nearly three years younger than the twins, you do realise that, right?
Your last point is hypocritical. But whatever. Points is what matters, not what some Arsenal fan thinks of our squad. The squad needs a midfielder despite the fact its working out just fine? Typical ageist nonsense from a fan of a youth academy for Barcelona and Man City.
Original post by TheInvincibles14
Or you could look at it from another perspective and say that United have more points compared to last season because the other teams in the division have become weaker and less consistent.
Except this isnt a fact at all.. so you cant say that..
Let's look at some glaring weaknesses of United: Fabio and Rafael should not be playing for the first team and have been thrown in the deep end and this has resulted in them under-performing
Should not be playing according to who? You? Well the manager and others think they should and in my mind our coaches and managers have a better idea than you.
Fabio has had like 5 apps this season btw, slo id like to know why he is included and Rafael has performed very well overall.
Last time i checked you cant magically change the world from where a player has zero apps and is being slowly brought in it to when he suddenly has 100 and is a regular first team starter. Know what happens in the middle of this in the real world? Its called gaining experience. Know what we are doing when playing Rafael & Fabio (when he plays)? Its called giving them experience. Know why we give them experience? In order to have a better team in the future. Rafael is looking to be a very solid RB for us.
Shall we ignore the other people we have pushed in who have done very well?
Comparison to the OX with age difference is stupid.
Now let's take a look at central-midfield: there is a gaping hole for a player such as Modric to come in and replace Scholes yet SAF is papering over the cracks by rotating the likes of Giggs and Scholes at CM and their experience has been guiding you to crucial results.
We have two great experienced CMs helping us win.. and this shows a weakness of our team.. how? Is having a great striker a weakness too? Because thats the same logic.
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The reason we're ahead of Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea is that our squad is on another level to any of theirs. Don't care who's in charge of any of those 3 sides, they wouldn't win the league.
The reason we're ahead of City is SAF.
Anyway, fantastic opportunity created by Sunday, if we take advantage of it with a win it'll take a bit of an effort to throw it away. Can't wait for Monday.
I think it'll be a tough game but if we do win it the dynamics of the title race will change again, City would have far less pressure on them and I think their results would pick up. It could be too late though, if we win our next 2 games we're putting them in a position where any dropped points away at Arsenal and the race is borderline over. Just got to keep this same intensity up and it'll be number 20.
The reason we're ahead of City is SAF.
Anyway, fantastic opportunity created by Sunday, if we take advantage of it with a win it'll take a bit of an effort to throw it away. Can't wait for Monday.
I think it'll be a tough game but if we do win it the dynamics of the title race will change again, City would have far less pressure on them and I think their results would pick up. It could be too late though, if we win our next 2 games we're putting them in a position where any dropped points away at Arsenal and the race is borderline over. Just got to keep this same intensity up and it'll be number 20.
Original post by Mastermind`
Man City are on the same number of points (71) that they gained through the whole of last season at the moment. If we don't spectacularly crumble then we should eclipse the number of points we won the title with last season. Both teams have improved. This Man Utd team is better than the won which won the league last season, if we judge it by points and the quality of football. Since the 1999 treble team, it seems each Man Utd team that has won the league has been labelled "poor by United standards".
I couldn't care less about the quality of the league, the question is: are we the best team in the league? As cliched as it sounds, the league table doesn't lie. People can bang on about Man City bottling it and blah blah but football isn't played on names on paper. Real Madrid consistently have the biggest names in world football but they haven't won the CL in about a decade and haven't won La Liga that consistently in the last decade.
I couldn't care less about the quality of the league, the question is: are we the best team in the league? As cliched as it sounds, the league table doesn't lie. People can bang on about Man City bottling it and blah blah but football isn't played on names on paper. Real Madrid consistently have the biggest names in world football but they haven't won the CL in about a decade and haven't won La Liga that consistently in the last decade.
Other than 07/08 of course
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Original post by TheInvincibles14
I completely disagree with the point about you having a better team. Let's look at some glaring weaknesses of United: Fabio and Rafael should not be playing for the first team and have been thrown in the deep end and this has resulted in them under-performing, while they should have been eased in and allowed to develop (like AOC at AFC). This has resulted in them making mistakes. Evra has not been convincing either and many United fans have criticised him this season.
I completely disagree with the point about you having a better team. Let's look at some glaring weaknesses of United: Fabio and Rafael should not be playing for the first team and have been thrown in the deep end and this has resulted in them under-performing, while they should have been eased in and allowed to develop (like AOC at AFC). This has resulted in them making mistakes. Evra has not been convincing either and many United fans have criticised him this season.
Lolwut? Have you ever even watched either of them play? Fabio was a regular in the United team towards the end of last season and put in a load of exceptional performances - he was one of the more impressive players from United in the Champions League final. Rafael has always been very good, just his temperament a bit suspect. He's been very good this season apart from the occasional lapse of concentration - which even the most experienced defenders occasionally get. Both of them are much more accomplished than AOC in their respective roles.
Original post by Welsh Leprecaun
Other than 07/08 of course
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Even then people weren't totally happy with our team, said we needed a proper goalscorer to partner either Rooney or Tevez. We brought in Berbatov which kind of disrupted that team.
City bottling it big time haha. Viera looks mighty stupid now. Its now well and truly Uniteds to lose, Gary was correct with his table of remaining fixtures and which would be tough :P
My word, we could potentially be 8 points clear at the top by Sunday afternoon before Man City play Arsenal. Both teams will be looking to bounce back and this is set to be a cracking game.
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Original post by TheInvincibles14
I completely disagree with the point about you having a better team. Let's look at some glaring weaknesses of United: Fabio and Rafael should not be playing for the first team and have been thrown in the deep end and this has resulted in them under-performing, while they should have been eased in and allowed to develop (like AOC at AFC). This has resulted in them making mistakes. Evra has not been convincing either and many United fans have criticised him this season.
Have you seen Rafael play in the last few games? If you compare him to know to how he was when he first came into the side, you can see that he's improved a hell of a lot. Technically better and he's not as careless any more with rash challenges and he does actually defend as well, unlike when he would get caught up field, he does know what his position within the team is.
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