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What is it mastering then but nature? I suppose it is seeking to master the behavior of unenlightened others...it is othering the mass of people as well as nature. Saving nature from ourselves and ignorant men from themselves?

What puzzles me is the gusto by which the state has got involved and is committed to the AGW hypothesis. I tend to view the democratic state as a fairly parasitic and useless apparatus with its architects and politicians capable of short termism only. AGW is on such a long time scale as to offer no practical incentive for the politician to care.

I am not sure mastering is the right word. Humans don't, for a moment, consider other animals - for instance. It always amazes me that much of philosophical thought experiments begin like this: "imagine you inhabit an island to yourself" ... what about the ecosystem there? Presumably a bird lives in the nest on the tree? What about its property rights? And since it affects its environment (which is itself subject to its own changes - axis shifts, air currents changing within the hemispheres etc ... ), it too must contribute to global warming ... Thus, humans aren't really the problem .. but all living things ...

I am not sure if I see the state as parasitic, anymore. I see the state as a means of getting things done. We both know the alternative makes a lot more sense, and is most certainly more moral ...

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Lord Hysteria

Original post by Oswy

You can't separate human behaviour from the economic and social arrangements within which they must take place. Indeed, given that we very much live within capitalism's dictates our 'voluntary' transactions are all too obviously determined by its machinery.

I am not sure I am separating human behaviour from anything ... but I do believe we once agreed, wisely I might add, to define our terms before a debate - since we both define capitalism very differently.

On that note, I believe I have over-stayed my welcome sauntering your thread ...

Reply 422

Oswy

Original post by Lord Hysteria

Relax, I'm just sayin'

Reply 423

When you see it...

These arguments can get pretty pretentious/silly.

Reply 424

Saoirse:3

Shame this thread died. Anyone still out there? Hellooooooooooo? :redface:

I'm still here.

Yo. It's too cringy reading old posts!

Reply 427

The Dictator

Libertarian socialists would support voluntary socialism I assume?

Because if you don't then you aren't really libertarians.

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Comus

Original post by The Dictator

Libertarian socialists would support voluntary socialism I assume?

Because if you don't then you aren't really libertarians.

Libertarian Socialism involves dismantling hierarchies which cannot justify themselves including the state - most libertarian socialists advocate free associations such as cooperatives. You are of course free to set up your own 'one-man cooperative', if you wish.