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Original post by mevidek
I know, but we tend to do better than most other parties because we actually do things, and make good legislation.


that maybe mevidek,but i still feel that possiable the electorate might feel now is the time for a change,after all its the electorate who votes in any successive government and decides who the majority party is.
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Original post by Ham and Cheese
I am merely speculating given the lack of attention the TSR Liberal Democrats have given to the issue in their manifesto :smile:



Well you should have mentioned that in the manifesto; I am merely going on what has been said. Given that TSR Labour has been in power last term, what exactly have they done to keep to their committment of reducing/scrapping tuition fees?


Towards the end of our short term I began thinking about what to include in a new bill, and wrote one, although we need further discussion on it.
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Original post by wizardtop
that maybe mevidek,but i still feel that possiable the electorate might feel now is the time for a change,after all its the electorate who votes in any successive government and decides who the majority party is.


We'll see, I guess, but let's not count out the probability of a coalition.
Original post by mevidek
Towards the end of our short term I began thinking about what to include in a new bill, and wrote one, although we need further discussion on it.


Short term? The term was only a couple of weeks shorter than the standard term, and that was only because your Leader buckled under the pressure at the thought of being ousted.
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Original post by Ham and Cheese
Short term? The term was only a couple of weeks shorter than the standard term, and that was only because your Leader buckled under the pressure at the thought of being ousted.


He actually didn't. He wanted change, and hoped that this election would increase activity in general in the MHoC, which it obviously has.
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Original post by Ham and Cheese
Short term? The term was only a couple of weeks shorter than the standard term, and that was only because your Leader buckled under the pressure at the thought of being ousted.


I didn't "buckle under pressure". I asked rakas21 if there would be an election immediately after the VoNC, and he didn't give me this assurance. I thought that it would be better that the electorate decide who they want in power so I called an election.
Original post by Ham and Cheese
I am merely speculating given the lack of attention the TSR Liberal Democrats have given to the issue in their manifesto :smile:






Well you should have mentioned that in the manifesto; I am merely going on what has been said. Given that TSR Labour has been in power last term, what exactly have they done to keep to their committment of reducing/scrapping tuition fees?


Ham and Cheese,you are entitled to express your views or opinions political or otherwise but one thing i will say,a vote for us could make a difference and as i said one of things we want is to reform the welfare and benefits system as well as education.You must remember that rome wasnt built in a day.We as a party need the opporunity to prove that we will keep our promises in our manifesto,unlike some parties who say one thing and do the exact opposite to what they promised in the first place.
I just cannot understand why people would not vote Socialist...

Their policies are by far the most ideal out of all (although the nationalisation of energy will be impossible to implement looool).
Original post by mevidek
They're just promises... When were you last voted into power, or when did you actually have an overall majority? When were you last in power? You have no experience, and will not know how to run the MHoC stably and effectively.
We've been part of various coalition governments since the HOC was founded. We were also the largest party in early 2010, leading a coalition government. We have produced several successful motions and bills in this term alone, and we're an active party. These reasons alone demonstrate our strong experience in government.

We are as prepared to lead the government as any other party. Compare our activity to that of TSR Labour in the last parliament, and you'll see we are extremely committed to the HOC. You said earlier: "Vote for Labour if you want a party that know what they're doing" - explain then exactly why there was so much concern in Labour's leadership and activity, resulting in the VONC. That doesn't look like a party that "knows what it's doing".

I think you may be confusing RL with TSR, but trust me - we have a lot more experience in government than the RL party!
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Original post by mevidek
He actually didn't. He wanted change, and hoped that this election would increase activity in general in the MHoC, which it obviously has.


Yeah, and I was born yesterday...
Original post by davidmarsh01
I didn't "buckle under pressure". I asked rakas21 if there would be an election immediately after the VoNC, and he didn't give me this assurance. I thought that it would be better that the electorate decide who they want in power so I called an election.


I want what u want as well as Rakas21 davidmarsh01 a stable and active government that has the electorate at the forefront of any government bills or motions.We see what the electorate decides which party will have a overall majority and start from there.
Original post by davidmarsh01
I didn't "buckle under pressure". I asked rakas21 if there would be an election immediately after the VoNC, and he didn't give me this assurance. I thought that it would be better that the electorate decide who they want in power so I called an election.


You buckled under pressure because you knew you would not get the support of half of the House. Anyway, this topic has already been discussed to death, so I am not going to bother starting something up on this again.
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Original post by Ham and Cheese
Yeah, and I was born yesterday...


In all honesty that's what we were told, and why we backed the election.
Original post by wizardtop
Ham and Cheese,you are entitled to express your views or opinions political or otherwise but one thing i will say,a vote for us could make a difference and as i said one of things we want is to reform the welfare and benefits system as well as education.You must remember that rome wasnt built in a day.We as a party need the opporunity to prove that we will keep our promises in our manifesto,unlike some parties who say one thing and do the exact opposite to what they promised in the first place.


The TSR Liberal Democrats will not receive an overall majority in this election, simply because people compare you lot to the real party too much. However, as my comical poster further below says, you lot would get rid of our country's defences, which is enough reason for me to never vote for you; both on here and in RL
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Original post by Birchington
We've been part of various coalition governments since the HOC was founded. We were also the largest party in early 2010, leading a coalition government. We have produced several successful motions and bills in this term alone, and we're an active party. These reasons alone demonstrate our strong experience in government.

We are as prepared to lead the government as any other party. Compare our activity to that of TSR Labour in the last parliament, and you'll see we are extremely committed to the HOC. You said earlier: "Vote for Labour if you want a party that know what they're doing" - explain then exactly why there was so much concern in Labour's leadership and activity, resulting in the VONC. That doesn't look like a party that "knows what it's doing".

I think you may be confusing RL with TSR, but trust me - we have a lot more experience in government than the RL party!


Have you ever had someone as prime minister though? If so (which as far as I know, you haven't) then how long ago was that?
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Original post by Ham and Cheese
You buckled under pressure because you knew you would not get the support of half of the House. Anyway, this topic has already been discussed to death, so I am not going to bother starting something up on this again.


Well you're going to say that being extremely partisan. Good idea, I'm not going to discuss this any further, only we know why we called to election and I don't care anymore about anyone else's theories.
Original post by mevidek
Have you ever had someone as prime minister though? If so (which as far as I know, you haven't) then how long ago was that?
Matthew Lowson was PM in late 2009/early 2010, when we were the largest party.
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Original post by mevidek
Have you ever had someone as prime minister though? If so (which as far as I know, you haven't) then how long ago was that?


Autumn 2009 to Spring 2010, which I believe is two terms - both these were under TSR Lib Dem Prime Ministers.
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Original post by Birchington
Matthew Lowson was PM in late 2009/early 2010.


Any other times?
Original post by mevidek
Any other times?
I've already answered your question - now answer mine: why is Labour fit for government when their activity was so poor last term? Where do you stand on the VONC, which was clearly motivated by cross-party concerns about the largest party's leadership and activity. It's very easy to grumble about one party's experience without acknowledging the failures of your own.

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