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I have to find the limit as x tends to infinity for :

x2(x3+1)1/3-x^3

I had the idea of expanding the part in bold using a taylor series for x = infinity.

However, I have no idea how to go about doing this.

Also, wolfram alpha turns up this neat series expansion for the entire equation :

WolframAlpha---x3x2_1x313--2012-10-27_0634.gif

Setting x=infinity would give me a limit of 1/3.

How did they achieve this ?
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by Ari Ben Canaan
I have to find the limit as x tends to infinity for :

x2(x3+1)1/3-x^3

I had the idea of expanding the part in bold using a taylor series for x = infinity.

However, I have no idea how to go about doing this.

Also, wolfram alpha turns up this neat series expansion for the entire equation :

WolframAlpha---x3x2_1x313--2012-10-27_0634.gif

Setting x=infinity would give me a limit of 1/3.

How did they achieve this ?

Note that (x3+1)1/3=(x3)13(1+1x3)13(x^3+1)^{1/3} = (x^3)^{\frac{1}{3}}(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}}
Original post by Farhan.Hanif93
Note that (x3+1)1/3=(x3)13(1+1x3)13(x^3+1)^{1/3} = (x^3)^{\frac{1}{3}}(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}}


Where would I go from here ? Just give me a push in the right direction...
Reply 3
Original post by Ari Ben Canaan
I have to find the limit as x tends to infinity for :

x2(x3+1)1/3-x^3

I had the idea of expanding the part in bold using a taylor series for x = infinity.

However, I have no idea how to go about doing this.

Also, wolfram alpha turns up this neat series expansion for the entire equation :

WolframAlpha---x3x2_1x313--2012-10-27_0634.gif

Setting x=infinity would give me a limit of 1/3.

How did they achieve this ?


[br]limx(x2(x3+1)13x3)[br]limx(x2[x3(1+1x3)]13x3)[br]limx(x3(1+1x3)13x3)[br]limx(x3[(1+1x3)131])[br][br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^2(x^3+1)^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^2[x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})]^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^3[(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}} - 1])[br]
Now we can use the taylor expansion.
limx(x3[(1+13x3)1]) \displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^3[(1+\frac{1}{{3x}^3})- 1])
Original post by Ari Ben Canaan
I have to find the limit as x tends to infinity for :

x2(x3+1)1/3-x^3

I had the idea of expanding the part in bold using a taylor series for x = infinity.

However, I have no idea how to go about doing this.

Also, wolfram alpha turns up this neat series expansion for the entire equation :

WolframAlpha---x3x2_1x313--2012-10-27_0634.gif

Setting x=infinity would give me a limit of 1/3.

How did they achieve this ?


What! is this the maths they do at Imperial chemistry!?
Original post by Aurum
[br]limx(x2(x3+1)13x3)[br]limx(x2[x3(1+1x3)]13x3)[br]limx(x3(1+1x3)13x3)[br]limx(x3[(1+1x3)131])[br][br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^2(x^3+1)^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^2[x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})]^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^3[(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}} - 1])[br]
Now we can use the taylor expansion.
limx(x3[(1+13x3)1]) \displaystyle\lim_{x\to {\infty}} (x^3[(1+\frac{1}{{3x}^3})- 1])


What happened to the x^2 ? Also, am I taylor expanding only the (1+1/x^3)^1/3 part ? ?

How did you get to the last step ?
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by chignesh10
What! is this the maths they do at Imperial chemistry!?


Why ? Do you find it easy ? Yes, this is part of what we do.
Original post by Ari Ben Canaan
Where would I go from here ? Just give me a push in the right direction...

It seems that Aurum has thrown up a bit more working. Factorise as he has done and then consider the binomial expansion of (1+x3)13(1+x^{-3})^{\frac{1}{3}} for 1/x3<1|1/x^3|<1 i.e. for large x.
Original post by Ari Ben Canaan
Why ? Do you find it easy ? Yes, this is part of what we do.


No its hard!
I am scared of gonig to Imperial now if I get in..
Original post by Farhan.Hanif93
It seems that Aurum has thrown up a bit more working. Factorise as he has done and then consider the binomial expansion of (1+x3)13(1+x^{-3})^{\frac{1}{3}} for 1/x3<1|1/x^3|<1 i.e. for large x.


Okay, I've got it now. There's just one last thing... In aurum's working; in between step 2 and 3 the x^2 disappears.

What did he do with it ?
Original post by Ari Ben Canaan
Okay, I've got it now. There's just one last thing... In aurum's working; in between step 2 and 3 the x^2 disappears.

What did he do with it ?

See my first post. (x3)13=x(x^3)^{\frac{1}{3}} = x so x2(x3+1)13=?x^2(x^3+1)^{\frac{1}{3}} =?
Reply 11
Original post by Ari Ben Canaan
What happened to the x^2 ? Also, am I taylor expanding only the (1+1/x^3)^1/3 part ? ?

How did you get to the last step ?


Farhan has answered your second and third question.
About your first question-
(x2(x3+1)13x3)[br](x2[x3(1+1x3)]13x3)[br] (x^2(x^3+1)^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br](x^2[x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})]^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]
Now you must know that
[x3(1+1x3)]13=x(1+1x3)13 [x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})]^{\frac{1}{3}} = x(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}}
Now I've simply multiplied x by x^2 to get x^3 as given in the next line of my previous post.
Original post by chignesh10
No its hard!
I am scared of gonig to Imperial now if I get in..


It's typical of most maths courses. Honestly though, I think you'd be fine after a few questions. It's not that difficult.
Original post by Aurum
Farhan has answered your second and third question.
About your first question-
(x2(x3+1)13x3)[br](x2[x3(1+1x3)]13x3)[br] (x^2(x^3+1)^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br](x^2[x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})]^{\frac{1}{3}} - x^3)[br]
Now you must know that
[x3(1+1x3)]13=x(1+1x3)13 [x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^3})]^{\frac{1}{3}} = x(1+\frac{1}{x^3})^{\frac{1}{3}}
Now I've simply multiplied x by x^2 to get x^3 as given in the next line of my previous post.


Silly me. Cant believe I missed that. I'll blame yesterdays labs for my waning concentration :P

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