Has working made your attitude change?

Then as I predicted you failed to disprove me logically and resorted to insults. I suppose next you will say 'its so obvious its not worth arguing about' or something equally drole.

It could be argued that there are ideologies which follow a more logically sound principle than moral relativism, and thus are preferable even though they are not universal truth. It would not be blind faith to support such an ideology as there would be a strong philosophical argument for it.

And clearly there are such systems, as under moral relativism events like the holocaust would be justifiably morally sound.

You are contradicting yourself. You are accepting moral relativism as a universal truth in itself, when it is clearly just one concept of morality competing with other ideas such as utilitarianism etc.

Don't get nasty.
This is pretty interesting, if you could all just stop making personal attacks on each other.
So, no throttling, gouging, no hitting below the belt, no biting, scratching, crunching or sticking your tongue in anyone's ear just to confuse and distract them. I want a nice, clean debate and I really mean it about the tongue thing. :toung:

Circular logistics do equal superiority. It's like calling a magician an amazing scientist. You make it very hard for even the most subjective persons to NOT see you as pompous. Thought, having been obviously raised in an environment that caters to self imagery and white collar, high class society, it's not hard to see why the "old money" shines through. Either that or blatant denial. Either way, you need a wake up call.

That is truely disgusting? Your mother carried you to full term during pregnancy? All those sleepless nights when you were gestating when you were crying etc. Sacrificed alot in your upbringing? I would have paid for that aborption myself even though i am strictly against artifical aborption?

So say after 5 years at medical school i go abroad to a 3rd world country and work as an aid worker sacrificing my future career, so you have no respect as i am a charity worker? I am not from a wealthy family....no respect for me? How the hell did you get into Oxford, did you offer the interviewer some light oral relief!

Your arrogance is astounding, disgusting, and does nothing to dispell any myths about Oxbridge snobbery. This comment pretty much proves Laikas point about how shallow you are. You have a brain, great. Using it in a non-academic way might be something you'd like to try, Ally McBeal. What a stupid username!

Here we go again with the pathetic insults.....How dare you make judgements/predictions about my background! If I havent posted it, its none of your business.

......... My mother did the same for me as a dog does for its own offspring................

No. I am not putting forth moral relativism as a universal truth. It is based on the assumption that universal truth does not exist. If universal truth existed there would be one single ideology. But without knowing what universal truth is (or if it exists) we cannot construct that ideology, so the idea that morality is not relative does not bring us to any conclusion, because we cannot work out what is the right one.

No. I am not putting forth moral relativism as a universal truth. It is based on the assumption that universal truth does not exist. If universal truth existed there would be one single ideology. But without knowing what universal truth is (or if it exists) we cannot construct that ideology, so the idea that morality is not relative does not bring us to any conclusion, because we cannot work out what is the right one.

So now you are calling your mother a dog? The mammalian response in canis genus is quite different to homo sapians.

But in accepting that moral relativism is a certainty, you are instilling value to a construct which holds that all constructs are equal in value. Therefore elevating it to status above any other construct, which is internally contradictory. Rehardless, that is a rather shaky area. What I find more concerning is that you hold that the holocaust and any such atrocity is equal in moral value to any ideology.


I think you will find that moral relativism is a heavily criticised outlook, and by accepting it and proposing it as some sort of attainment of higher intellect, you are only showing your lack of education on the subject.

I am not accepting it as a certainty. I am accepting it as the most logical result with the available information. I am fully aware of its criticisms, and I am not holding it up as an attainment of higher intellect. I am challenging you to prove the existence of universal truth, or at least present evidence for it. As this is the crux upon which your argument rests.

No Oxford don would accept such a bribe.

Well said
Unfortunately, it is inevitable in these things,(unless you are working exclusively with the intelligent, and that adjective applies to no-one thus far in the debate).