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Undergraduate Univeristy courses left-wing agenda?

Anyone else who studies a subject which involves certain value judgments feel that the largely left-wing academics who teach them seem to try their upmost to offload their clear socialist agendas on you during lectures.

This has really started to annoy me, for instance I have to sit through 2 lectures a week in a module which was slyly called 'contemporary political issues' and consists of a trio of ridiculously biased modules, these are 'climate changes effect on developing countries' 'exploitation' and 'indigenous justice struggles' , and I have to suffer lectures every week teaching me how immoral and terrible my own country and the West is as if it is fact.

Why can't the left-wing academics keep their agendas to themselves, no-one is interested, and its detrimental to my learning which should only involve objective teaching. When they aren't teaching us in such a biased way, they are out on strike wanting to milk more out of taxpayers money because they have no regard for their students education and don't understand that they earn very good salaries in comparison to most people.

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I see this a lot in my subject, history. It seems there are still a few Marxist historians about (in this day and age!) that try and push their agenda on us. The worst are probably the feminists though. I have a couple of female lecturers and every seminar always has sly digs at the Tories, or insulting the guys in the form of "light-hearted" jokes, or have a discussion about the pill in seminars that have nothing to do with women's history. I just want to be taught impartial historical fact and to figure out my own interpretation, not to be fed a biased agenda by my teachers.
We had feminist *******s at secondary school, some bint saying that 'History' comes from 'His Story' rather than the Latin. Never seen so much nonsense ever.
Original post by Oschene23
Anyone else who studies a subject which involves certain value judgments feel that the largely left-wing academics who teach them seem to try their upmost to offload their clear socialist agendas on you during lectures.

This has really started to annoy me, for instance I have to sit through 2 lectures a week in a module which was slyly called 'contemporary political issues' and consists of a trio of ridiculously biased modules, these are 'climate changes effect on developing countries' 'exploitation' and 'indigenous justice struggles' , and I have to suffer lectures every week teaching me how immoral and terrible my own country and the West is as if it is fact.

Why can't the left-wing academics keep their agendas to themselves, no-one is interested, and its detrimental to my learning which should only involve objective teaching. When they aren't teaching us in such a biased way, they are out on strike wanting to milk more out of taxpayers money because they have no regard for their students education and don't understand that they earn very good salaries in comparison to most people.


There is no such thing as objective teaching in the humanities and social sciences. You are not really thinking in an "adult" way until you can see the biases in favour of your own opinions. It is quite childlike to say that those whose opinions I disagree with are biased, but those whose opinions I do agree with are objective.
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Original post by nulli tertius
There is no such thing as objective teaching in the humanities and social sciences. You are not really thinking in an "adult" way until you can see the biases in favour of your own opinions. It is quite childlike to say that those whose opinions I disagree with are biased, but those whose opinions I do agree with are objective.


Of course there is, you teach both sides of the argument in a balanced way. But that does not happen in my experience, there is a clear agenda and certain arguments are discarded as nonsense.

Opinions should never come into teaching subjects such as Economics or Politics, it is up to the student to make their own mind up about issues , not a lecturers to dictate opinions as objective fact.

I really think you are struggling to grasp what I am saying, your answer really offers no real response to my original statement.
Original post by Oschene23
Of course there is, you teach both sides of the argument in a balanced way. But that does not happen in my experience, there is a clear agenda and certain arguments are discarded as nonsense.

Opinions should never come into teaching subjects such as Economics or Politics, it is up to the student to make their own mind up about issues , not a lecturers to dictate opinions as objective fact.


The view from nowhere is not a valid way to present an issue. I hope you and Algorithm69 are still in first year because if you've made it further than that thinking you can present history or politics impartially, or objectively by just presenting 'both sides', then quite frankly your lecturers are failing you for reasons other than a perceived left-wing bias.
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Original post by betaglucowhat
The view from nowhere is not a valid way to present an issue. I hope you and Algorithm69 are still in first year because if you've made it further than that thinking you can present history or politics impartially, or objectively by just presenting 'both sides', then quite frankly your lecturers are failing you for reasons other than a perceived left-wing bias.


So hang on, you think its a good thing to subject students to whatever kind of political leaning the lecturer happens to have, no matter how extreme or how valid the position?
What I'm saying is that clear lecturing agendas are counter productive to the students learning, and a somewhat pathetic way to try and get across an argument. e.g by spending less time on a major political or economic theory or just dismissing it entirely due to an ideological view - these kinds of actions should not be acceptable.
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Original post by Oschene23
So hang on, you think its a good thing to subject students to whatever kind of political leaning the lecturer happens to have, no matter how extreme or how valid the position?
What I'm saying is that clear lecturing agendas are counter productive to the students learning, and a somewhat pathetic way to try and get across an argument. e.g by spending less time on a major political or economic theory or just dismissing it entirely due to an ideological view - these kinds of actions should not be acceptable.


No, I'm saying that students will always be subject to whatever kind of political leaning the lecturer happens to have. There is no apolitical or truly objective way to teach politics or history.

You're also playing into the fallacy that because there is more than one perspective each is as valid as the other. This is the view from nowhere or the Fox News approach to teaching - teach the background of everything regardless of merit and let the viewer decide - and it is useless. Some perspectives will be more valid and it is perfectly right to give them more weight.

It doesn't matter if an accurate description of reality fits one particularly ideological notion over another - all that matters is that it is accurate.
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Why would you want to get taught anything political from a uni? Just go and found out for yourself and make up your own mind. That's partly why I have gone down the science route.
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Original post by betaglucowhat
No, I'm saying that students will always be subject to whatever kind of political leaning the lecturer happens to have. There is no apolitical or truly objective way to teach politics or history.

You're also playing into the fallacy that because there is more than one perspective each is as valid as the other. This is the view from nowhere or the Fox News approach to teaching - teach the background of everything regardless of merit and let the viewer decide - and it is useless. Some perspectives will be more valid and it is perfectly right to give them more weight.

It doesn't matter if an accurate description of reality fits one particularly ideological notion over another - all that matters is that it is accurate.


Yes okay, but you still have not addressed the main issue which is that more often than not lecturers (job in public sector, very different to 'real world' jobs which many academics have absolutely no experience with) will have a very if not somewhat leaning towards left-wing views, are you suggesting that mere statistic alone makes these views the 'valid ones'? Yes, clearly more valid views should be given more weight in an ideal world, but why should this be decided on by lecturers which just means its their particular opinion which trust me is often highly unrepresentative of that of the common man.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Why would you want to get taught anything political from a uni? Just go and found out for yourself and make up your own mind. That's partly why I have gone down the science route.


I don't do a political degree, we just have to do certain optional modules outside our course.
Not really i feel most lecturers just regurgitate the right wing corporate text books and offer little thought.
Original post by Oschene23
I don't do a political degree, we just have to do certain optional modules outside our course.


A politics degree is not the only degree with politics in it.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
A politics degree is not the only degree with politics in it.


Cool, who was claiming that?
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Original post by Bill_Gates
Not really i feel most lecturers just regurgitate the right wing corporate text books and offer little thought.


Which right wing corporate text books would these be?
Original post by nulli tertius
There is no such thing as objective teaching in the humanities and social sciences. You are not really thinking in an "adult" way until you can see the biases in favour of your own opinions. It is quite childlike to say that those whose opinions I disagree with are biased, but those whose opinions I do agree with are objective.


This exactly, there exits no objective truth in these subjects, they're all viewed through one lens or another. Even hard sciences are political, you can never escape this and it's naive to think that you can - you've obviously not been paying attention in these lectures you dislike so much.
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Original post by Oschene23
Yes okay, but you still have not addressed the main issue which is that more often than not lecturers (job in public sector, very different to 'real world' jobs which many academics have absolutely no experience with) will have a very if not somewhat leaning towards left-wing views, are you suggesting that mere statistic alone makes these views the 'valid ones'? Yes, clearly more valid views should be given more weight in an ideal world, but why should this be decided on by lecturers which just means its their particular opinion which trust me is often highly unrepresentative of that of the common man.


Just sounds like you're very startled and unhappy about hearing things which challenge your cozy pre-formed opinions tbh.

your lecturers are tbh better placed than you are to know what are the important theories in their fields, whether or not these theories are known or liked by 'the common man' is neither here or there.

appeal to the common man is weak - why would anyone pay 9000 pa to recieve an education in the opinions of the common man?
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Original post by Joinedup
Just sounds like you're very startled and unhappy about hearing things which challenge your cozy pre-formed opinions tbh.

your lecturers are tbh better placed than you are to know what are the important theories in their fields, whether or not these theories are known or liked by 'the common man' is neither here or there.

appeal to the common man is weak - why would anyone pay 9000 pa to recieve an education in the opinions of the common man?


I am endowed with enough knowledge in my chosen field to understand the major debates within it. (Economics) , they are often quite clear cut and for anyone with any knowledge in the subject, it would be outrageous to ignore certain aspects of these arguments, but I have experienced some particular lecturers who would ( just for a quick example) have you believe that things like Keynesian style stimulus spending is the ONLY way to get a country out of a recession. < It is incomprehensible that such an academic would not mention theories which are so well established in main stream economics just so they can state their opinion.

Furthermore, when you have a politics lecturer choosing topics which are so obviously associated with Marxist theories ( a fringe ideology) at the expense of real contemporary issues, you have to really wonder the value of the teaching you are receiving.

And I know, this isn't just the case at my uni (Russell group), I have friends who have also experienced the same kind of thing. It is these kind of academics which FUEL the narrow-minded 'know it all' graduates who come out of our top institutions thinking they have the answers to all political issues when in fact they are inexperienced and ignorant of how the real world works where you can't just put into practice some abstract theory you learnt in university.

And if anything's cosy pal, its being a middle class student spending 7 years at uni thanks to grants/daddys credit card , never having a real job and yet teaching students about how the real world works. I believe it should be compulsory for lecturers to have had real world experience in their field of expertise before teaching. And, no I'm not talking about research which takes place in the same cosy environment, I'm talking about real hard graft which doesn't fit the theories and the models because human beings rarely act like you think they will, and the human race is always changing.

You seem to think because your lecturer has Dr before their name, and they spent 3/4 years more at uni than you did, that you need to worship everything they say like a deity. Don't be so naïve and ignorant as to believe that every word which comes out of a lecturers mouth is correct or the only answer. The greatest of all academic figures all disagree with each other over pretty much everything, but go on thinking that whatever you are led to believe off a nice little powerpoint is all the answers you need in life if that makes you happy.
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Original post by Antifazian
This exactly, there exits no objective truth in these subjects, they're all viewed through one lens or another. Even hard sciences are political, you can never escape this and it's naive to think that you can - you've obviously not been paying attention in these lectures you dislike so much.


Mate, your profile picture is some kind of dinosaur and you seem to be questioning my suitability for university.
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Original post by Oschene23
Anyone else who studies a subject which involves certain value judgments feel that the largely left-wing academics who teach them seem to try their upmost to offload their clear socialist agendas on you during lectures.

This has really started to annoy me, for instance I have to sit through 2 lectures a week in a module which was slyly called 'contemporary political issues' and consists of a trio of ridiculously biased modules, these are 'climate changes effect on developing countries' 'exploitation' and 'indigenous justice struggles' , and I have to suffer lectures every week teaching me how immoral and terrible my own country and the West is as if it is fact.

Why can't the left-wing academics keep their agendas to themselves, no-one is interested, and its detrimental to my learning which should only involve objective teaching. When they aren't teaching us in such a biased way, they are out on strike wanting to milk more out of taxpayers money because they have no regard for their students education and don't understand that they earn very good salaries in comparison to most people.


How is 'climate change effects in developing countries' in any way left wing?

Its is likely to be the biggest global challenge in years to come, it would be frankly stupid to leave it off any course even remoteley related.

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