The Manchester United Thread XIII

At the end of the day, he went toe to toe with the behemoth that is David Moyes and I'd venture that if it wasn't for our players completely switching off after Evra's goal, Guardiola would have had massive egg on his face. He was gifted that quarter final by our players in those crucial moments; but over 2 legs his side (which had previously rampaged around Europe uncheckd) looked insipid and toothless against the worst United side in my life.

His brand of football worked at Barca becausae he had incredible players. He wasn't lucky, he has an exceptional eye for talent and he saw before anyone else that building his team around Iniesta and Messi was the way to go.

Under Heynckes, Bayern were probably not as good man-for-man as Barca but their football was destructive. Nonetheless, he has turned a very good football team into one that has looked average on the European stage. That's not an exaggeration - they really have been average.

Robben, Ribery, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Gotze, Muller. If Pep can turn those boys into a side which can't put 10 man Arsenal to the sword and limp past United then what on earth is he going to do with this United side?!

You say he'll mature and become less stubborn/rigid but it's a hell of a risk; you'd have thought if he was going to adapt his tactics he'd have done it when he took the helm of a club who had Europe by the balls. If he didn't change for Bayern, why would he change for us?

EDIT: I'd also say it was actually pretty dull when it is working. It's so repetitive and formulaic it drives me crackers!

agree about not needing a new CB if we keep Rio

you left out Powell? or will he still be under 21? isn't Lingard also under 21?

surely we won't loan out Zaha again if we need wingers either?

agree with the departures apart from Fellaini, can't see us selling him after only one season, also wouldn't be surprised if one of Fletch and Giggsy stays

Zaha hasn't proven it for me. Average in a red shirt, average in a Cardiff shirt, we wouldn't miss him.

eh I figure he can hardly be worse than Young/Valencia even so!

Aside from the Man City score at home.

Young's not even that bad he just doesn't get as many games as some-remember the 8-2 game vs Arsenal he was immense. Valencia on his day is a quality he just needs to get his consistency going. Replacing CR7 was never an easy task but he's one of my favourite United players.

ditto

"the biggest club in the world" he knows we are the best hopefully he can put us back there as well

Zaha hasn't proven it for me. Average in a red shirt, average in a Cardiff shirt, we wouldn't miss him.

As seen from RVP grinning in interview over the weekend and with LVG now confirming he'll be joining Utd now would be the perfect time to flog Rooney. If you keep him then what exactly was the point of spending £37m on Juan Mata. Not to mention Rooney's attitude up against LVG is just a recipe for disaster. You would probably still get £25m for Rooney to be fair, so should use that money on a CM, so it would make sense selling him.

It's pretty scary how many players you need to get back up to title winning standard though. De Gea, Carrick, Mata and RVP are certainties but every other position requires improvement...

agree about not needing a new CB if we keep Rio

you left out Powell? or will he still be under 21? isn't Lingard also under 21?

surely we won't loan out Zaha again if we need wingers either?

Best, Law, Charlton, Beckham, Giggs, Ronaldo, Cantona........Zaha. FFS. It doesn't sound right does it lol.

Of course it doesn't sound right; not when you compare a lad who has barely played in a United shirt to some of the greatest players to ever pull on the jersey.

Zaha looks like £15 M worth of bad attitude to me.

Let's get him back for LVG to deal with then. He's not going to improve mentally at a championship/yo-yo club with a journeyman manager.

I think a kid that signed for United a year ago should be doing his damn hardest to impress. The only way for him is down if he doesn't make it here. If he needs a tough manager to motivate him to get his **** together, that would concern me. He should be able to motivate himself to get good enough to play in this team. Especially when his manager is OGS, who spent many years here. He could learn a lot from him.

I would argue that the vast majority of United players who succeeded as greats in the past couple of decades didn't do so because they were self motivated and because the prospect of playing for United was a magical elixir; but because we had the best man-manager in the business.

It is worrying that multiple managers have been quoted as saying he has an attitude problem. If he isn't getting on at Cardiff, he is not ready for Man United. I still hope he can improve. I saw signs in pre-season that he had some ability. I still think I'd rather see us give Zaha a shot than watch Valencia and Young play 40/50 games between them a season. He might improve. They're just not very good at football.