Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing? - Mk II

What I meant is they aren't the ones conducting the negotiations are they? Yes they can affect it by vetoing but they want. Know why? Because Spain is one of Scotland's main trading partners. Would be pretty stupid to kick your own trading partner out of the single market wouldn't it?

And as I have mentioned too many times before. They have already downplayed claims that they would.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304495/Spain-will-not-veto-an-independent-Scotland-joining-EU

I moved from neutral-Yes before the white paper to an ardent no. As a Tory I found his defense policies to be stupid, he wants Westminster to pay for a new nationalized postal service and his sums just don't add up.

Yes but you must remember that nobody living in England gets a vote, its based on residency.

I support economic devolution but not political and for counties rather than regions. If a county assembly In West Yorkshire is will to crack the crap out of the land then they should reap the rewards just as London should with its current account surplus. Political devolution like justice policies, health policies and education policy can help to foster cultural identity and that must be stopped.

The Green Party, they promise so much but I suspect all they would ever deliver is a load of carbon taxes?

What a shame it is that my country is potentially splitting up and at the very least is badly fractured. The one good thing to come out of this is the demand for devolution in England. If Scotland can shout loud and get a better deal whichever way vote then surely the north of England should have more autonomy as well?

Scotland not being in the EU doesn't mean that Spain and iScotland cannot trade.

In any event, the UK as a whole is only about Spain's fifth largest trading partner, with France's business over double ours. Scotland's share is utterly insignificant. It exports about £760 million to Spain, which is less than 0.35% of Spain's imports. To believe that iScotland is one of Spain's most important trading partners is pure fantasy. Japan, at number 20, exports more than treble that amount to Spain (and is outside the EU, of course).

If Scotland can shout loud and get a better deal whichever way vote then surely the north of England should have more autonomy as well?

His defence policies are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can you not want nuclear weapons in the 21st century. We live in extremely dangerous times. We need the ultimate option to wipe countries off the map, should our existence be threatened. He'd rather a large welfare state and unsustainable spending.

It's the greatest nation in the world bar none. You've obviously not done much travelling have you. Go somewhere else if you don't like it.

Did your mother not show you any love as a kid?

Did your mother not show you any love as a kid?

In fact, the north-east has fairly recently (2004) overwhelmingly rejected more autonomy, when the Labour government tried to introduce regional assemblies. It was so overwhelming (about 80% voted no) that two other referenda were abandoned and so was the plan for regional assemblies.

The English simply don't want more politicians and more cost.

What I meant is they aren't the ones conducting the negotiations are they? Yes they can affect it by vetoing but they want. Know why? Because Spain is one of Scotland's main trading partners. Would be pretty stupid to kick your own trading partner out of the single market wouldn't it?

And as I have mentioned too many times before. They have already downplayed claims that they would.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304495/Spain-will-not-veto-an-independent-Scotland-joining-EU

Not really relevant. The point is, why would Scotland want to continue trading with a country that blocks them from the EU?

Okay, and how much does it receive from fishing industries from within the north sea? Block Scotland and goodbye, you can find somewhere else to fish.

Oil prices dropping globally. Saudi probably cutting production.



Good time to base your economy on Oil

This is the future of an independent Scotland. The constant panic of fluctuating Oil prices and being at the whim of the Oil markets.

An Oil-based economy in this day and age is not a good thing. You have to have a varied economy with other exports.

God, you're so delusional. On the contrary, I have travelled my fair share across the globe.

Greatest nation in the world except...

3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world
Single most expensive childcare in the EU
Second lowest-paid economy in the developed world
3rd longest working hours in the EU
Lowest number of holidays in the EU
8th highest inequality gap out of the EU'2 28 countries
Highest rail prices in europe
Second highest housing costs in europe
Highest rail prices in europe

Wow, it's basically paradise isn't it

Westminster have mismanaged the oil, foreign affairs, the gold reserves, the NHS and the country goes into meltdown when we get a few inches of snow in winter. We are a joke.

So Scotland will not trade with England or Spain if they use their veto? Try telling that to the people whose jobs depend on that trade. Do you even know what proportion of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK? You should look it up if you don't; it might surprise you.

Pissing off my overwhelmingly biggest trading partner with threats of not sharing debts is not the way I would choose to start negotiations for independence. If I did I'd expect a pretty nasty reaction.

In fact, the biggest flaw in independence for Scotland is that it instantly turns Scotland's best friend and overwhelmingly biggest trade partner into a competitor. It doesn't seem wise to me.

Good thing Scotland has exactly that then, isn't it?

Of course the Yes voters would never change their minds....

What you're talking about is a completely hypothetical situation. Seeing as the UK will not veto Scotland's entry into the EU.

Again, why would the UK want to kick Scotland out of the single market? Makes absolutely no sense.

And you appear to keep forgetting that we have the huge bargaining chip which is trident at our disposal.

Ive changed my mind

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