Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing? - Mk II

The UK's own position would be enhanced from cutting loose a loss making nation. The billions saved from subsidising Holyrood could then be put into decreasing the debt or further investing it in RUK, so I am quite confident about the UK's future either way.

However any government that came out in Scotland saying 'we need to cut our cloth, taxes must go up/public spending must go down' contradicts the jingoistic stereotypes that only English Tories advocate such policies. They would be very hard pressed to actually carry it out. As for R+D, the UK research councils award disproportionate sums to Scottish institutions. This quite clearly would not continue in iScotland, particularly if it pursues the illegal policy of charging RUK students tuition fees and nobody else (from the EU).


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Met the most gorgeous guy yesterday on my journey, spoke the whole way, a YES voter may l add, has a Romanian girlfriend who will also be voting YES.

Now we have Polish & Romanians on our side. EXCITING!!!!!!!

Well it is about them, they are the ones who will be leading the negotiations, if not be the sole negotiators.

Unless they decide to give referendums on key issues like these.

But you want to be in the EU?

And you want the pension, tax and welfare systems of the other country for a while?

And you want to share another countries currency?

And you want to share the embassy's of the other country?

And you want the Head of State of the other country?

Mind coming back to me then...?



Here you did. (or could you explain the maths...?)


If every person who didn't turn up was declared as a NO vote you'd need 50% of the electorate to vote yes to carry the motion.

With a 49% turnout NO would have won.

In reality a 45% turn out with a 90% share for yes would have won. From what you said, they would have lost as it'd have been 40.5% yes vs 59.5% NO

It's our head of state Quady my friend

As we've discussed.

I for one hope this is the case. Devolution has gone quite far enough.

You've actually repeated this gibberish?

With a 49% turnout YES would have won as long as 40% of the electorate had voted yes. At no point did he say, or even insinuate 50% no matter what crazy maths you try and carry out!

Without knowing too much on the matter the Scottish Universities are among the best in the world so I would tend to agree that shared funding is likely to continue. No point diverting that funding to UK universities if the best professors/academics are not there to make use of it.

Without knowing too much on the matter the Scottish Universities are among the best in the world so I would tend to agree that shared funding is likely to continue. No point diverting that funding to UK universities if the best professors/academics are not there to make use of it.

Again don't know too much on that matter. You seem to be arguing that a Government which wants ensure it looks after our finances would not get elected in Scotland, I feel that's insulting the Scottish electorates intelligence a bit.

And the Tories are certainly not known for increasing taxes!

I would possibly agree to be honest with you, if we can't have independence I'm not sure anything other than the status quo would work.

Possibly a devolved English Parliament would be a positive step, which would ensure local decision making for them aswell

I'd still say the act passed in England in 1701 being ratified by the Scottish Parliament in 1707 at the same time as the Act of Union was agreed to under coercion.

If You/others think a coerced act is something you want to keep on the statute books then fair enough, just find it odd people would want to throw out the Act of Union (which the Scottish Parliament actually wanted) but keep the Act of Settlement that was only signed as part of getting the former.

The English, though, keep rejecting English devolution.

Nah to be fair if it was up to me I'd get rid of the Monarchy too, and I think if Salmond had proposed this it would have actually been a positive for the Yes camp rather than a negative.

There are a lot of 3rd generation Irish republicans in Glasgow who probably would have needed no other reason to vote yes than that.

All besides the point likes maybe it would have been to radical for people

Oxford, Cambridge and LSE are superior to any Scottish university. The point is that the research councils fund UK universities. Obviously if Scotland is out then that stops.

The Tories advocate cutting our cloth accordingly and have been slammed for it in Scotland.


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Oxford, Cambridge and LSE are superior to any Scottish university. The point is that the research councils fund UK universities. Obviously if Scotland is out then that stops.

The Tories advocate cutting our cloth accordingly and have been slammed for it in Scotland.


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I love you taking every opportunity to turn things into an England v Scotland Midlander

Can I make one thing clear? I love England, my family are English. I visit England regularly and I would never say a bad word about the place.

I love you taking every opportunity to turn things into an England v Scotland Midlander

Can I make one thing clear? I love England, my family are English. I visit England regularly and I would never say a bad word about the place.