Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing? - Mk II

Surely a precedent would be set, it would be hard to justify going against such a precedent. I am English with a Scottish father, if I could vote I would vote yes, but I would expect that 16 and 17 year olds were enfranchised after a yes vote.

Surely it'd be decided before the first election? The SNP would be the people drawing up "the rules" for Scotland, which is why the whole "this is for independence not the SNP" line is BS.

Yes, Germany, France and the US just wish they could be ruled by an unelected Windsor.

Since when have France and the US been bastions of social justice?? Though I do agree that having a monarchy makes no difference. Incidentally, if you are opposed to the monarchy, Scotland is far more likely to find itself under a republic as an independent country than part of the UK.

If Scotland becomes independent, Labour will undoubtably lose the next election. Another coalition- yay! *sarcastic*

They'll be managing the transition process, but Scotland will be a democracy upon independence. It's not as though the SNP will be establishing a perpetual dictatorship.

Did I call them that? They aren't falling to pieces without an unelected head of state and the German economy is the strongest in Europe despite underwriting the Euro.

Agree it's more likely to happen in iScotland than under the present set-up. But there is a pretty obvious contradiction in wanting rid of the Westminster establishment but keeping the monarchy. I've said before, if getting rid of them was a definite part of the iScottish constitution I might have been swayed towards Yes.

It didn't need Scotland to win any of the 3 elections it won from '97 onwards.

I do disagree with the SNP's commitment to keeping the monarchy, but I'm trying to think long-term about the kind of country I want to live in. An independent Scotland wouldn't look like that country in 2016, but given a couple of decades I think it stands a better chance of getting there than the UK does at present.

Take a look at this http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/region_scotland/

The official tourism figures show that is incorrect.


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Fair enough. The King of Swaziland is a great advertisement for monarchies around the world. The monarchy is the ultimate symbol of elitism and social inequality.

Not sure why you'd mock nations that are streets ahead of us in recognising that.


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No

You gov 12-16 June Yes 36% - No 53%
ICM 9-12 June Yes 36% - No 43%
Panelbase 9- 11 June Yes 43% No 46%

Right now No Seems pretty firmly ahead. Buntin seems to be acting as if the Referendum is already won, with figures like this I don't think his confidence is justified.

And those results are closer than their previous incarnations. Thank you for disproving your own point!

But the No vote has gone right ahead in the past few days. My main point here is what justifies Buntin's confidence.

Right ahead in the past few days? How?

Your point was the polls were going in NOs direction. They are not!

Which part needs explaining to you?


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You come up with the US and France which is laughed at, so retreat to Swaziland?! Bravo!!!

Maybe once in your life you'll admit when you're wrong. It happens often enough.

No was on 43% which has jumped up to 53 whilst Yes has not moved. These aren't good results. Nor the sort you would be using to argue that Yes is heading on to some smashing victory.