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Labour's local election results would have been an absolute disaster without London

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Original post by Zenomorph
Is this a copy and paste from your PDF revision notes ?


I don't understand? I wrote this on my ipad :confused:

Edit: was that a joke on my nickname?
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Original post by russellsteapot
Academic ability is completely irrelevant to his ability to run the country's finances. And almost every politician seems to have done PPE at Oxford. It's like a cheap pass to politics.



I wonder if a lower upper rate of tax attracts overseas investment? I rather expect it does. I also wonder what Labour's alternative to VAT raises would have been.



Poorer people aren't wealth generators. If you want a long-term fix, you fix the machine instead of changing the oil. This isn't to say that I don't partially agree on this point, but it's worth considering the impact of flooding the economy with extra money at a lower level is probably as likely to raise inflation as a small VAT increase.



How does this compare to Labour's record? You'll find that they surfed a far worse housing bubble and presided over economic growth built on massive personal debt, along with, erm, a huge rise in energy bills and big profits for the energy companies...



Good. You do realise that if he did that, the 'cheapest tariff' would be far more expensive than it is now? It would drag those who aren't too lazy or stupid to change energy suppliers up to the same level as everyone else.

So, what would Labour have done?



There is a positive correlation between relevant education and ability to run the economy. Notice the person who thought that a VAT increase leads to deflation. If people like him ran our economy, where would we be? Therefore there is a causal link between education and the running of the economy. Although many MPs have PPE degrees, many do not specialise in economics in Harvard. Instead we are being led by Cameron and his Bullingdon Club.

How does lower upper tax rate increase overseas investments? Investing is spending on capital by firms. Income tax rates do not directly effect firms at all. All it does is promote richer people from overseas to live in London, increasing price of housing. Don't you notice how all these Russian oligarchs and Saudi sheikhs are hogging all the expensive houses. This worsens the cost of living crisis as demand for housing exceeds supply.

Poorer people are wealth generators. I agree that it is not a long term solution. However, we must think of the short term to get into a recovery as soon as possible. Relatively high inflation is not as dangerous as high unemployment and negative economic growth. In the long term when the employment rate is a lot higher, the fiscal deficit improves naturally due to higher income tax revenue. This is a long term solution.

During the boom, few economists saw the unsustainable growth. Inflation was low in this period so it was difficult to see that the economy was overheating. At least during this period, unemployment rate was low and people could afford housing unlike now. You have to understand that it was the long term implications of the deregulation of banks during Thatcher's rule that caused subprime lending to actually occur. Thus, the seeds were sown well before Labour. Labour's only fault was not controlling the bankers.

Not to mention the rise in price of university places. This disincentives people to learn, making the labour force less productive in the long term and this causes FDI to fall.

This is what the government should have done:
Lower tax rate for bottom 10-20% income
Lower VAT
Keep Royal Mail (the sale of RM was a failure)
Increase land value tax - this actually stimulates economic growth (I'll talk about this later on)
Increase spending on apprenticeships and training.
Renationalise railways
Freeze energy prices
Lower interest rates to 0.5%
Subsidise our exporter manufacturers
Lower corporation tax for small firms
Abolish Zero Hour contracts - these contracts lower consumer confidence as workers are unsure about long term job prospects
So most of Labour's gains are in the most economically vibrant part of the UK that contributes more to the UK's tax receipts than anybody else and that leaves the rest of the UK shamed for the fact it managed to sustain growth whilst others were going through double dip recession.
Original post by The Dictator
I am young, educated and aspirational, and don't support Labour. Idk about tolerant though.


Not sure about the educated part. Well not educated in economics at the very least
Original post by Revision Notes
There is a positive correlation between relevant education and ability to run the economy. Notice the person who thought that a VAT increase leads to deflation. If people like him ran our economy, where would we be? Therefore there is a causal link between education and the running of the economy. Although many MPs have PPE degrees, many do not specialise in economics in Harvard. Instead we are being led by Cameron and his Bullingdon Club.


Government is run by the civil service and each party has advisors, which together provide people who are properly experienced. No MPs are sufficiently experienced (experience > education, both are ideal) to understand the economy properly, Vince Cable is probably the closest and he's still useless and leans heavily on advisors. The fact that Ballsy went to Harvard isn't relevant, particularly considering he was Gordon Brown's economic advisor when he ****ed the entire economy sideways.

How does lower upper tax rate increase overseas investments? Investing is spending on capital by firms. Income tax rates do not directly effect firms at all. All it does is promote richer people from overseas to live in London, increasing price of housing. Don't you notice how all these Russian oligarchs and Saudi sheikhs are hogging all the expensive houses. This worsens the cost of living crisis as demand for housing exceeds supply.


Turning away immigrants doesn't seem a very 'Labour' thing to do. Particularly not immigrants with money, which is what Labour seemed to love during their time in power.

Poorer people are wealth generators. I agree that it is not a long term solution. However, we must think of the short term to get into a recovery as soon as possible. Relatively high inflation is not as dangerous as high unemployment and negative economic growth. In the long term when the employment rate is a lot higher, the fiscal deficit improves naturally due to higher income tax revenue. This is a long term solution.


Seems incredibly speculative.

Labour's methods would have doubled the time needed to reduce the defecit, I'm unsure how that's good.

During the boom, few economists saw the unsustainable growth. Inflation was low in this period so it was difficult to see that the economy was overheating. At least during this period, unemployment rate was low and people could afford housing unlike now. You have to understand that it was the long term implications of the deregulation of banks during Thatcher's rule that caused subprime lending to actually occur. Thus, the seeds were sown well before Labour. Labour's only fault was not controlling the bankers.


Come on, even I saw the crash coming when I was doing my A levels, it doesn't take a genius to work out that building an economy on mountains of debt is unsustainable. It really wasn't difficult. And blaming Thatcher makes the argument look painfully weak, considering Thatcher is the only reason we have a competitive services-based economy and not a festering primary-based cesspit comparable with half of Eastern Europe. Labour's failing was failing to put sufficient controls in place. They had long enough and failed miserably. While it was a global crisis, they didn't help by spending frivolously when times were good, leaving nothing left when it all went to ****.

Not to mention the rise in price of university places. This disincentives people to learn, making the labour force less productive in the long term and this causes FDI to fall.


The push to send everyone to university, and to charge everyone, and the initial price increase for fees were also Labour's doing. Who are you criticising?

This is what the government should have done:
Lower tax rate for bottom 10-20% income (done)
Lower VAT (propose your alternative/explain how this makes up for lost revenue, without speculating)
Keep Royal Mail (the sale of RM was a failure) (really? it's making money now...)
Increase land value tax - this actually stimulates economic growth (I'll talk about this later on) (please do)
Increase spending on apprenticeships and training (train more people to do non-existent jobs?)
Renationalise railways (why?)
Freeze energy prices (explain how this would work)
Lower interest rates to 0.5% (it is 0.5%, not that the government can do this anyway, because Labour gave the power to the Bank of England)
Subsidise our exporter manufacturers (why, if they're not competitive?)
Lower corporation tax for small firms (who pays for it?)
Abolish Zero Hour contracts - these contracts lower consumer confidence as workers are unsure about long term job prospects (and leaves thousands unemployed instead of on zero hour contracts)


I appreciate where you're coming from (it's always easy to criticise from opposition) but you're either being incredibly selective, have an incredibly short memory or just don't remember 1997-2010 very well.
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Original post by Revision Notes
I don't understand? I wrote this on my ipad :confused:

Edit: was that a joke on my nickname?



Well the whole thing seemed rather prepared, plastiche & non spontaneous like a party political broadcast ....
Original post by Revision Notes
Not sure about the educated part. Well not educated in economics at the very least


Are you trying to say I am uneducated because I do not support Labour? How mature is that?

Also, I am not an economist, but I have done some amateurish research on economics and am pretty certain where I stand. Your high-and-mighty intellectual retorts serve only to make you look like a fool.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly


For a second there I thought that was referring to how many they gained in the year 1891. :colondollar:

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