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Can anyone predict the number of marks required for a B this year?
Original post by _anna13
I think it'll be similar to last years... Or at least I hope... But I doubt they would change it by more than +/- 3 or 4 marks in one go (as that's never happened before) (attached comparison of 2014:2007)


Thanks alot for that!
See for the question about the matrices and you have to combine m1 and m2, I did m2.m1 because thats the order, but DLBmaths did m1.m2 and got a different answer where the values were positive, but mine were negative. Im kinda worrying if i lost such an easy mark?
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Original post by Ninjaman123
See for the question about the matrices and you have to combine m1 and m2, I did m2.m1 because thats the order, but DLBmaths did m1.m2 and got a different answer where the values were positive, but mine were negative. Im kinda worrying if i lost such an easy mark?


I did M2.M1 because that was the order stated in the exam, and we know that's important since matrix multiplication is not commutative.
So in this instance, I believe DLBmaths is wrong and we are correct.

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Original post by CaitlinDy
I did M2.M1 because that was the order stated in the exam, and we know that's important since matrix multiplication is not commutative.
So in this instance, I believe DLBmaths is wrong and we are correct.

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I hope so lol. Thank you
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Original post by CaitlinDy
I did M2.M1 because that was the order stated in the exam, and we know that's important since matrix multiplication is not commutative.
So in this instance, I believe DLBmaths is wrong and we are correct.

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DLBmaths is not wrong. It is M1.M2.

'Find the 2x2 matrix, M3, associated with an anticlockwise rotation through pi/2 radians about the origin followed by a reflection in the y-axis.'

If you multiply M2 by the position vector of a point, you get the anticlockwise rotation needed. It is then that you apply the reflection in the y-axis, i.e. multiply by M1. Since you multiply the matrix by the position vector of the point, i.e. M3 . X (X being the point), then the M2 matrix must be multiplied by X first, and then the result of this multiplied by M1.

Hence, M3 . X = (M1.M2) . X = M1 . (M2.X)

So it would have to be M1.M2.
Original post by riquix
DLBmaths is not wrong. It is M1.M2.

'Find the 2x2 matrix, M3, associated with an anticlockwise rotation through pi/2 radians about the origin followed by a reflection in the y-axis.'

If you multiply M2 by the position vector of a point, you get the anticlockwise rotation needed. It is then that you apply the reflection in the y-axis, i.e. multiply by M1. Since you multiply the matrix by the position vector of the point, i.e. M3 . X (X being the point), then the M2 matrix must be multiplied by X first, and then the result of this multiplied by M1.

Hence, M3 . X = (M1.M2) . X = M1 . (M2.X)

So it would have to be M1.M2.


Original post by CaitlinDy
I did M2.M1 because that was the order stated in the exam, and we know that's important since matrix multiplication is not commutative.
So in this instance, I believe DLBmaths is wrong and we are correct.

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You just got #rekt.

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Original post by Princepieman
You just got #rekt.

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I watched his video again and he seemed pretty certain that because it followed it was that bit first.....
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Original post by Ninjaman123
I watched his video again and he seemed pretty certain that because it followed it was that bit first.....


The answer is M1M2. Test it with the point (0, 1) if you don't believe me.
Original post by riquix
DLBmaths is not wrong. It is M1.M2.

'Find the 2x2 matrix, M3, associated with an anticlockwise rotation through pi/2 radians about the origin followed by a reflection in the y-axis.'

If you multiply M2 by the position vector of a point, you get the anticlockwise rotation needed. It is then that you apply the reflection in the y-axis, i.e. multiply by M1. Since you multiply the matrix by the position vector of the point, i.e. M3 . X (X being the point), then the M2 matrix must be multiplied by X first, and then the result of this multiplied by M1.

Hence, M3 . X = (M1.M2) . X = M1 . (M2.X)

So it would have to be M1.M2.


I'm really not understanding this? I would have thought that if it said anticlockwise rotation followed by reflection in y axis that you would first multiply a point by the anticlockwise rotation matrix and then multiply by the y axis matrix.
And that would therefore be M2.M1?

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Original post by CaitlinDy
I'm really not understanding this? I would have thought that if it said anticlockwise rotation followed by reflection in y axis that you would first multiply a point by the anticlockwise rotation matrix and then multiply by the y axis matrix.
And that would therefore be M2.M1?

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M1 is the matrix associated with a reflection in the y-axis.
M2 is the matrix associated with an anti-clockwise rotation of pi/2 radians.

You said it yourself: 'you first multiply a point by the anticlockwise rotation matrix and then multiply by the y-axis matrix'. Hence, you first multiply a point by matrix M2 and then multiply by M1.

Keep in mind that, when applying a transformation matrix to a point, the transformation matrix comes first in the multiplication i.e. M . X (M being the transformation matrix and X the position vector of the point) and NOT X . M.

Hence, we do M2 . X, in order to apply the rotation, and then we multiply M1 by the result of that.

So M1 . (M2 . X) gives us the desired point. In accordance with the properties of matrices, M1 . (M2 . X) = (M1 . M2) . X, and so M3 = M1 . M2.
Original post by riquix
M1 is the matrix associated with a reflection in the y-axis.
M2 is the matrix associated with an anti-clockwise rotation of pi/2 radians.

You said it yourself: 'you first multiply a point by the anticlockwise rotation matrix and then multiply by the y-axis matrix'. Hence, you first multiply a point by matrix M2 and then multiply by M1.

Keep in mind that, when applying a transformation matrix to a point, the transformation matrix comes first in the multiplication i.e. M . X (M being the transformation matrix and X the position vector of the point) and NOT X . M.

Hence, we do M2 . X, in order to apply the rotation, and then we multiply M1 by the result of that.

So M1 . (M2 . X) gives us the desired point. In accordance with the properties of matrices, M1 . (M2 . X) = (M1 . M2) . X, and so M3 = M1 . M2.


Okay, that really clears a lot of things up. Thank you so much, I was absent for quite a bit of matrix work so obviously didn't catch up as well as I hoped.
Thanks again :smile:

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For the odd and even functions question. I made (and stated) the assumption of f(x)=ax^2 +bx +c. This would make f(-x)=ax^2-bx+c. So f(x) +f(-x)=2ax^2+2c . Since all the powers of x are even, g(x) is an even function.
h(x)=f(x)-f(-x) = 2bx all the powers of x are odd so h(x) is an odd function.

Would I get marks for doing it this way?
Original post by math1
For the odd and even functions question. I made (and stated) the assumption of f(x)=ax^2 +bx +c. This would make f(-x)=ax^2-bx+c. So f(x) +f(-x)=2ax^2+2c . Since all the powers of x are even, g(x) is an even function.
h(x)=f(x)-f(-x) = 2bx all the powers of x are odd so h(x) is an odd function.

Would I get marks for doing it this way?


No, because that assumption was invalid. The question intended for you to show g and h are even and odd respectively whatever form f might take.
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