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Sin(x+40) +sin(x+50) =0. Solve for the interval (0 to 360)

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Reply 1
expand each part using:

sin(A+B)= sinAcosB+cosAsinB (latex for this isn`t working)and collect in the form:

Psin(x)+Qcos(x)=0P\sin(x)+Q\cos(x)=0
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Reply 2
Original post by Joshua_g96
Sin(x+40) +sin(x+50) =0. Solve for the interval (0 to 360)


sinA+sinB=2sin(A+B2)cos(AB2)\sin A + \sin B = 2 \sin \left(\frac{A+B}{2}\right) \cos\left( \frac{A-B}{2} \right)

It's probably in your formula book.
Reply 3
Original post by BabyMaths
sinA+sinB=2sin(A+B2)cos(AB2)\sin A + \sin B = 2 \sin \left(\frac{A+B}{2}\right) \cos\left( \frac{A-B}{2} \right)

It's probably in your formula book.


isn`t this the same as sin(2x+π2)\sin(2x+ \frac{\pi}{2}) ??

(you`re is a simpler option, by the way!)
Reply 4
Original post by Joshua_g96
Sin(x+40) +sin(x+50) =0. Solve for the interval (0 to 360)


Isn't there an earlier part to that question where you prove that if that's true, then tan3x=1/3tan40, or something? Or is that the wrong question? Because if so, just solve that for x.
What's the answer?
Reply 6
Original post by Hasufel
isn`t this the same as sin(2x+π2)\sin(2x+ \frac{\pi}{2}) ??

(you`re is a simpler option, by the way!)


Isn't what the same as sin(2x+π2)\sin(2x+ \frac{\pi}{2})? :confused:

sin(2x+π/2)=cos(2x)\sin(2x+\pi/2)=\cos(2x)
Reply 7
Original post by BabyMaths
Isn't what the same as sin(2x+π2)\sin(2x+ \frac{\pi}{2})? :confused:

sin(2x+π/2)=cos(2x)\sin(2x+\pi/2)=\cos(2x)


Doh!!!
Original post by Hasufel
isn`t this the same as sin(2x+π2)\sin(2x+ \frac{\pi}{2}) ??

(you`re is a simpler option, by the way!)


Are you suggesting that Sin(A+B) + Sin(A+C) = Sin(2A + B+C)
Original post by Joshua_g96
Sin(x+40) +sin(x+50) =0. Solve for the interval (0 to 360)


You can solve this essentially by just thinking about it... You take a value of sin, move ten degrees along and the value is now precisely negative that value so if you were to move only 5 degrees on the value would be what?

Expanding it is a waste of time but it is useful to know the method.


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Original post by LightBlueSoldier
You can solve this essentially by just thinking about it... You take a value of sin, move ten degrees along and the value is now precisely negative that value so if you were to move only 5 degrees on the value would be what?


Perhaps it is just me but this made no sense whatsoever - could you explain further
Original post by TenOfThem
Perhaps it is just me but this made no sense whatsoever - could you explain further


Sin is anti symmetric about its zeroes.e.g. Sin(175) + Sin(185)=0 clearly.


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Reply 12
Original post by LightBlueSoldier
You can solve this essentially by just thinking about it... You take a value of sin, move ten degrees along and the value is now precisely negative that value so if you were to move only 5 degrees on the value would be what?

Expanding it is a waste of time but it is useful to know the method.


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Could you solve the question because I still don't get it
Original post by LightBlueSoldier
Sin is anti symmetric about its zeroes.e.g. clearly.


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Of course.
sin(175)+sin(185)=sin(1805)+sin(180+5)=sin180cos5sin5cos180+sin180cos5+sin5cos180=0sin(175) + sin(185)=sin(180-5)+sin(180+5)=sin180cos5-sin5cos180+sin180cos5+sin5cos180=0
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Original post by Joshua_g96
Could you solve the question because I still don't get it


The rigorous way available to an a level student would be to expand the expressions and cancel (substituting y=x+40 is useful)

My picture is a simple and rigorous method beyond the scope of a level but easily translated into 'a-level logic'.

(NB: i forgot to put one solution in the first image but I did put it in the second)

My next picture is such a translation.

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Going to try this, but im **** at maths so may be completely wrong
expand it out
so sinxcos40+cosxsin40+sinxcos50+cosxsin50=0

=>sinxcos40+sinxcos50+cosxsin40+cosxsin50=0

=> sinx(cos40+cos50) + cosx(sin40+sin50)=0

=>sinx(cos40+cos50) = -cosx(sin40+sin50)

=>sinx/cosx=-(sin40+sin50)/(cos40+cos50)

=>tanx=-1

=> x=tan-1(-1)

=> x=-45

do that quadrant diagram thingy

and you get x= 135, 315



THIS MIGHT BE COMPLETELY WRONG, I'm **** at maths, someone check please.
Btw are you also revising for c3 tomorrow?
Original post by keromedic
Of course.
sin(175)+sin(185)=sin(1805)+sin(180+5)=sin180cos5sin5cos180+sin180cos5+sin5cos180sin(175) + sin(185)=sin(180-5)+sin(180+5)=sin180cos5-sin5cos180+sin180cos5+sin5cos180


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Original post by Joshua_g96
Sin(x+40) +sin(x+50) =0. Solve for the interval (0 to 360)

Out of curiosity, why did the below fail?
sin(x+40)=sin(x+50)=sin(x50)sin(x+40)^\circ=-sin(x+50)^\circ=sin(-x-50)^\circ

x+40=x50x+40^\circ=-x-50^\circ

2x=902x=-90^\circ

x=45x=-45^\circ

x=315x=315^\circ
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Original post by LightBlueSoldier
You can solve this essentially by just thinking about it... You take a value of sin, move ten degrees along and the value is now precisely negative that value so if you were to move only 5 degrees on the value would be what?

Expanding it is a waste of time but it is useful to know the method.


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do you mean that sin(x + 45) = 0 ?
Original post by keromedic
Our of curiosity, why did the below fail?

sin(x+40)=sin(x+50)=sin(x50)sin(x+40)=-sin(x+50)=sin(-x-50)
x+40=x50x+40=-x-50
2x=902x=-90
x=45x=-45
x=315x=315


Sin is not a 'one to one' function. You can consider the simpler example of 'x^2=y^2' does not mean that 'x=y'

To expand on this: sinx=siny means than y=x+2nπy=x+2n \pi unless sinx=0 when y=x+nπ=mπy=x + n \pi = m \pi


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