The end of oil

That amounts to, there's unlimited Y provided that there's unlimited X, from which we can make Y. X is unlimited provided we can find a way of producing it from an unlimited process. Seriously, that's ridiculous. There is no way of producing "unlimited" anything.

That's my point. Jeez.

I think they have, but I'm not sure. In any case, the criterion for fusion hitting the big time is not so much a positive energy balance as a positive bank balance at the end of the process.

Unlimited energy devices contradict the most basic laws of physics; furthermore, the various claims to have built one have never been verified.

Your assuming that the laws of physics are complete and correct for your statement to be true. However, saying that science has accomplished that is a very unwise statement. Science has failed to achieve the goals of understanding the fabric of our existence, and instead focus's on the material world.

No one ever questions the idea of matter, or the forces, such as gravity or electricity, and since the laws are incomplete, so how can one say an energy device contradict the laws of physics?

Free energy is possible, but not as in "free" from nothing. The energy is coming from somewhere, science has just failed to probe the idea far enough..

So in conclusion, saying its not possible is foolhardy, because unless you understand completely the laws of existence and reality itself, you can not even claim something is impossible.

Is what i said not true? Honest answer please

Your assuming that the laws of physics are complete and correct for your statement to be true. However, saying that science has accomplished that is a very unwise statement. Science has failed to achieve the goals of understanding the fabric of our existence, and instead focus's on the material world.

No one ever questions the idea of matter, or the forces, such as gravity or electricity, and since the laws are incomplete, so how can one say an energy device contradict the laws of physics?

Free energy is possible, but not as in "free" from nothing. The energy is coming from somewhere, science has just failed to probe the idea far enough..

So in conclusion, saying its not possible is foolhardy, because unless you understand completely the laws of existence and reality itself, you can not even claim something is impossible.

Is what i said not true? Honest answer please

You're quite right in that sense. I'm certainly not using the "if that were true we wouldn't be able to do the sums" line of argument in isolation, and I'm not claiming that it is complete proof on its own. A better statement would be "based on current science, such a machine is conceptually impossible".

However, my other point still stands - the existence of a machine or device such as you describe has never been proven.

Its my personal belief that everything is a wave, ie, there is no such thing as matter

Particles, waves, these are labels we give to the properties of the world we observe around us. Nature doesn't classify whether something is matter or not, these are constructions of the human mind to allow us to understand the world. Something can exhibit both wave and particle characteristics, now is it a wave or particle? People decide to choose one over the other depending on the evidence given to them. When the evidence is balanced, sometimes we choose one over the other because it seems more attractive.

On the laws of physics, although we do not understand everything, we understand somethings reasonably well in order to make good guesses. It is my guess that free energy, in the form which has been mentioned is not likely. In many energy transformation methods energy is lost in the form of heat, other forms of energy that are not so useful to us. It is not easy to recover the losses. Also for a machine to carry on running without the supply of fuel is along the lines of the perpetual motion machine.

But the idea of "matter"...its widely known one can split an atom. Whats to say you can't split the sub atomic particles?

This is the kind of intelligent reply i like (gave u rep).

But the idea of "matter"...its widely known one can split an atom. Whats to say you can't split the sub atomic particles? There really is no such thing as matter, but even particles such as electrons, neutrons, protons, which people think to be solid, aren't. They are merely energy (wave) which is fluxing/pulsing.

But when it comes to free energy, the energy is obviously coming from somewhere outside our perceptions, which is why i think its very easy to dismiss the idea.

I cant find the link, but i remember reading about Fusion reactors that are being tested, and they were creating excess power, yet, no one could explain where the extra energy was comign from.

Yes, matter is energy. Yes, the two are interchangeable (see Einstein). Yes, subatomic particles can be broken down (see Quarks, Baryons, Mesons, etc). They exhibit wave-like properties. Energy is neither a wave nor a particle, if you assume "energy" to take the form of an EM wave it actually travels in particles (see photons, see Einstein). Light has been slowed down to the extent that we can observe it traveling in photons.

As you just admitted, free energy doesn't exist it only gets transfered.

This is wrong I'm afraid. How I would love for it to be true. Fusion has been tested for ages, the latest I heard about it was that they were still struggling to overcome the fact that they had to put in more energy than they got out. Look into the physics of it and you'll understand why.

Energy is neither a wave nor particle? What is it then?...I'll think you'll find the paradox involves light and energy.

Light and electromagnetic matter caused a challenge to the mechanical era of Newton. Light and all electro magnetic matter, showed no resistance to motion. [No inertial mass]. Since scientist were viewing gravitational mass and inertial mass as one and the same, it led to assume that light has no mass. Yet it was shown that light like a particle could knock out an electron from an atomic shell.

Energy IS light. Everything is light, which in turn, is a wave, just vibrating on different frequencies on a spectrum of infinite proportions. The more interesting question arrises, what about gravity and life on this spectrum?..I'll leave you to think about it.

You still misunderstand the phrase "free energy". Free energy does exist. Its still coming from somewhere, ie, being transfered, but where its coming from is something that science has being trying to avoid, because it would reveal more about the fabric of our existence then "they" would like you to know

Have you not heard of Cold Fusion? This is basically along the lines of Teslas work. The excess energy (heat) is created through nuclear fusion on a small scale. But what is really happening is to do with oscillations and the water.

Hot Fusion will never happen, simply beacuse our technology is poor, and it can't be managed, let alone effeciently for smaller use.

There is something similar to Cold Fusion involving cavitys created in the water using a frequency of around 50hz i believe, and pulsing at a specific oscillation, which creates these little bubbles for a fraction of a second, but which are extremely bright and hold temperatures greater than the sun. I can't remember the name of it, something like somnoluminescence.

There is enormous energy output from those, but they are very very tiny, so harnessening them would be difficult, but it still proves you can gain more energy out than you put in, IF you know enough about the way the universe works, which sadly, science has failed to uncover, simply because its transfixed on the physical.

Science has come to a dead end. It must come into harmony with the spiritual side of things. Sounds odd, but its true. There is such a thing as unity, and unless we come to realise this, we will simply spiral towards destruction.

Have you not heard of Cold Fusion? This is basically along the lines of Teslas work. The excess energy (heat) is created through nuclear fusion on a small scale. But what is really happening is to do with oscillations and the water.