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Original post by Rakas21


Pretty surprised at that. I thought that he's still have a relatively okay chance simply by virtue of war of attrition. If he could have outlasted Kasich and Rubio he'd have started to perform much better.

But yeah, you'd expect the votes of Rubio and Kasich to pick up most. Bush (depending on state) has 10-15% to spread around.


Rubio said of Bush:-


I believe and I pray that his service to our country has not yet ended


I think that is code for Bush as Secretary of State in a Rubio White House.
Original post by Rakas21
I fear some of you are a tad biased. Complaining about a tiny margin in a large field is one thing but in a two horse race your always going to give the opposition an advantage because everybody rallies behind one 'not Hilary' candidate whether they like Sanders or not.

Are Obama and Reagan poor presidents because they only won by 4% ect.. they still won a two horse race and that's what matters.


tbf people also aren't voting for Hillary because they fully support her. Its either name-recognition, or "she's gonna get stuff done" or "anyone but that old socialist" or "we need a woman as president"... but you're right to an extent, the Dems need someone who isn't as corrupt as Hillary but isn't as left as Bernie
Original post by nulli tertius
Rubio said of Bush:-



I think that is code for Bush as Secretary of State in a Rubio White House.


Or a hint that Jeb could be VP if Rubio gets the nomination?

I'm really surprised by what's happened so far, I had expected Bush to pick up at this stage. It seems unimaginable that Trump will actually be the candidate, but the narcissistic nincompoop does indeed seem to be heading straight for the big job.
In earlier generations of US politics, this is the time when faceless men would be gathering in a parking lot in Vegas or Miami or maybe Dallas to discuss the best disposal method for a large man with a toupee who is rather in the way.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Or a hint that Jeb could be VP if Rubio gets the nomination?



The members of the electoral college cannot vote for a VP from the same state as the candidate they vote for, for President.

In 2000 Dick Cheney had to switch his residence from Texas to Wyoming (but he had very strong links to Wyoming having been its congressman and had only moved to Texas with his Haliburton job) as Bush was resident in Texas.

I think there would be a lot of adverse reaction to Jeb switching his state of residence to say Texas or Maine from Florida in order to run as VP.
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Original post by chemting
tbf people also aren't voting for Hillary because they fully support her. Its either name-recognition, or "she's gonna get stuff done" or "anyone but that old socialist" or "we need a woman as president"... but you're right to an extent, the Dems need someone who isn't as corrupt as Hillary but isn't as left as Bernie


But he is just like the New Deal Democrats of the 1930s, i.e moderate. Every single wealthy western developed country in the world has healthcare system that is considered communist in america. He's only majorly left wing if you let the mind rotting overtone window do your thinking for you.
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Original post by TimmonaPortella
Why?

It's easy, amongst all the attention that is given to the lower places, to lose sight of the fact that Trump is two for three and miles ahead right now. He is performing well amongst pretty much every conceivable subdivision of republican voters. It should be clear at this point that the man is incapable of saying anything that renders him less popular with them. Cruz scraped past him in Iowa, but couldn't beat him in SC, which is another deeply religious state which ought to be his for the taking. Rubio is nowhere close, and I question the assumption that Jeb!'s would-be supporters will move to him automatically. Voters' decisions do not perfectly conform to what one would expect in analysing the race from the outside. They are not necessarily thinking and categorising the candidates in the same terms as the commentariat.

Realistically I don't feel informed enough to stake actual money on any candidate, but if I had a free bet to squander I'd put it on Trump.


Trump is miles ahead yes, but in every vote his actual voter take is far less than what polls put him on. Personally I think he benefits from the divided field. Once that thins out as we are seeing now the majority of those votes will move to someone like Rubio. Why? Because the sort of person who would vote for Trump votes for him in the first instance, he's that sort of candidate. I doubt we'd see much movement from Bush to Trump.

Time will tell anyway.

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Original post by nulli tertius
The members of the electoral college cannot vote for a VP from the same state as the candidate they vote for, for President.

In 2000 Dick Cheney had to switch his residence from Texas to Wyoming (but he had very strong links to Wyoming having been its congressman and had only moved to Texas with his Haliburton job) as Bush was resident in Texas.

I think there would be a lot of adverse reaction to Jeb switching his state of residence to say Texas or Maine from Florida in order to run as VP.


The Senate can also appoint a VP, which would presumably be fine with Rubio if he made Prezzie and it was still Republican, as seems likely. It also doesn't matter if it isn't a close election, it's only a rule that the college voters can't vote for two candidates from their own state, it doesn't affect all of the electoral college.
Original post by Aj12
Trump is miles ahead yes, but in every vote his actual voter take is far less than what polls put him on. Personally I think he benefits from the divided field. Once that thins out as we are seeing now the majority of those votes will move to someone like Rubio. Why? Because the sort of person who would vote for Trump votes for him in the first instance, he's that sort of candidate. I doubt we'd see much movement from Bush to Trump.

Time will tell anyway.

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On paper and going by past theories of who stands the best chance, Rubio should now walk it, as he has the endorsements, but it's anyone's guess in this primary campaign what's going to happen. I'm increasingly thinking Trump is going to win it now.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
But he is just like the New Deal Democrats of the 1930s, i.e moderate. Every single wealthy western developed country in the world has healthcare system that is considered communist in america. He's only majorly left wing if you let the mind rotting overtone window do your thinking for you.


He's basically Charles Kennedy in my opinion. A wet social democrat.
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Trump takes the lead after his winner takes all victory.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
The Senate can also appoint a VP, which would presumably be fine with Rubio if he made Prezzie and it was still Republican, as seems likely. It also doesn't matter if it isn't a close election, it's only a rule that the college voters can't vote for two candidates from their own state, it doesn't affect all of the electoral college.


I accept the point that it would only catch Florida electors but as Florida has more than 10% of the total votes, no-one would risk the possibility that more than 10% of the college would have to vote for a lame duck non-Floridan Republican VP.

The Democrat VP would not get 270 votes and so the election would be thrown into the Senate. However, there is a flaw in the election machinery. There is a 2/3rds quorum in the Senate election so both parties can block a Senate election simply by not turning up. The incoming President is more likely to appoint under the 25th Amendment which requires simple majorities in both chambers.
Original post by Josb
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Trump takes the lead after his winner takes all victory.


Those figures overlook the fact that Bush still has at least three pledged delegates from NH.

The delegates of dropped out candidates become more significant the later they drop out because the numbers are greater.
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Original post by nulli tertius
Those figures overlook the fact that Bush still has at least three pledged delegates from NH.

The delegates of dropped out candidates become more significant the later they drop out because the numbers are greater.


Does the candidate get a say in who those delegates get behind?

Interesting to note just 4% of republican spending has been directed against attacking Trump.

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Original post by Aj12
Does the candidate get a say in who those delegates get behind?

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Yes. That is why campaigns are suspended rather than the candidate withdrawing. So long as the candidate is theoretically in the race, he still controls the delegates.

If the delegate formally withdraws or dies (e.g RFK for the 1968 Democratic Convention) those delegates are freed.

That control is for a period of time only and for the Republicans it is the state party rules which decide.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/143094-how-would-superdelegates-affect-a-contested-convention-the-gop-rules-are-really-really-complicated
Original post by Aj12
Does the candidate get a say in who those delegates get behind?

Interesting to note just 4% of republican spending has been directed against attacking Trump.

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So only 4% of republican spending is pro Trump?
Donald Trump's presidency would restore my faith in the American people, making America great again. Not only would it benefit America, it would benefit us too!
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Original post by Mathemagicien
So only 4% of republican spending is pro Trump?


Attacking Trump.

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Don't assume that The "Trump phenomena" gains supporters because he says offensive things. Most supporters I know (including myself), support Trump in-spite of the offensive things he says. Consider that he is extremely conservative on some issues (immigration, and foreign policy), but less conservative on other issues (healthcare, planned pregnancy, gay marriage). His ability to appeal to Republican voters who are moderates and evangelicals, may be an indication of his ability to draw independent votes.

Who are independents going to vote for. An self proclaimed socialists who wishes to take America in a direction that half the country considers appalling, A candidate who is established but is also so entrenched with scandal that she can't even say directly that she will never lie to the American people, or an offensive mouthpiece who is actually the most moderate of them all.

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