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Pit hair

Alright, as a not particularly hairy dude in a society where hair is seen almost exclusively as a manly thing, I'm not off to a particularly great start.

But there's this girl I like and we're doing something a bit chilled, we get on great, the issue is she is much hairier than me. I'll admit I do find a bit emasculating, as well as a bit gross (armpit hair is just one of those things I can't handle, it makes me think of men every time I see it and I'm straight).

I generally don't expect people to do anything to their bodies that I wouldn't do to myself, but I can't hold out any longer. I know it's shallow of me but it's such a turn off that I think I'll have to ask her to get rid of it at some point, because the relationship is entirely sexual and it's the least sexy thing I can imagine... How do I do that without being a total douche?

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Just tell her to shave?...
Reply 2
Original post by Andrew657Thomas
Just tell her to shave?...

Yeah I got that, but without sounding like a cock?
Look, I get it, we have a society which tells us that body hair is a male thing (which is so crazy that I don't know where to start) and that beauty standards for women are to shave. When you've grown up with those messages it's natural that you internalise them and judge yourself and others by those standards, it's not your fault you feel this way. However, it's all patriarchal bull****. Maybe this is a good opportunity to really think about your attitude to manliness and get over it, all women have arm pit hair and there's nothing gross about it. Shaving or not shaving is a personal choice, and it's important to think about what message you're sending if you do ask her to. She might not care, and be happy to do it, and that's fine.

On the other hand she might feel pressured into conforming to standards of beauty which unfairly put the onus on women to change themselves, which could potentially be painful for her. I think you need to think about that before you decide what to say to her. People in relationships do make sacrifices for one another and if a guy had a personal preference I'd consider it, but in this case it's not a personal preference of yours so much as a social ideal of women and the idea that women's natural bodies are 'gross' which is just offensive.
Could go down either way really. She might get offended and tell you you can't tell her what to do with her body, you're shallow, double standards etc or she might be really normal about it and shave. The fact she's not shaving already and going against the norm says a lot. It literally takes me 30 seconds to shave my under arms and I do it every time I shower
Original post by sarahwitkowski
Look, I get it, we have a society which tells us that body hair is a male thing (which is so crazy that I don't know where to start) and that beauty standards for women are to shave. When you've grown up with those messages it's natural that you internalise them and judge yourself and others by those standards, it's not your fault you feel this way. However, it's all patriarchal bull****. Maybe this is a good opportunity to really think about your attitude to manliness and get over it, all women have arm pit hair and there's nothing gross about it. Shaving or not shaving is a personal choice, and it's important to think about what message you're sending if you do ask her to. She might not care, and be happy to do it, and that's fine.

On the other hand she might feel pressured into conforming to standards of beauty which unfairly put the onus on women to change themselves, which could potentially be painful for her. I think you need to think about that before you decide what to say to her. People in relationships do make sacrifices for one another and if a guy had a personal preference I'd consider it, but in this case it's not a personal preference of yours so much as a social ideal of women and the idea that women's natural bodies are 'gross' which is just offensive.
OP I don't want to judge you but the likelihood of you making it to the end of sarahwitkowski's post without rolling your eyes, considering where this thread started... Is slim. But seriously she's talking sense, maybe take this as an opportunity to improve your 'use' of sex, maybe make it about the person rather than just streamline blow up dolls.

I will say though that it isn't fair to just bash you for having the preference as like it has been said, it's something constantly reinforced in porn and society in general... Also people will make sacrifices for their partners and it all depends where people draw the line. So if you want to raise the topic to at least talk about it maybe use your own armpit hair as a starting point and take the flow of the convo...
Ergh being hairy is very unfeminine.
Original post by sarahwitkowski
Look, I get it, we have a society which tells us that body hair is a male thing (which is so crazy that I don't know where to start) and that beauty standards for women are to shave. When you've grown up with those messages it's natural that you internalise them and judge yourself and others by those standards, it's not your fault you feel this way. However, it's all patriarchal bull****. Maybe this is a good opportunity to really think about your attitude to manliness and get over it, all women have arm pit hair and there's nothing gross about it. Shaving or not shaving is a personal choice, and it's important to think about what message you're sending if you do ask her to. She might not care, and be happy to do it, and that's fine.

On the other hand she might feel pressured into conforming to standards of beauty which unfairly put the onus on women to change themselves, which could potentially be painful for her. I think you need to think about that before you decide what to say to her. People in relationships do make sacrifices for one another and if a guy had a personal preference I'd consider it, but in this case it's not a personal preference of yours so much as a social ideal of women and the idea that women's natural bodies are 'gross' which is just offensive.



Oh look another poor usage of the p word.
But honestly it is fundamental that women should groom themselves as women are not meant to be hairy.
Hairiness is very unnatractive and masculine.
And finally op has the right to feel the way he feels.
Reply 7
Alright, thanks guys. And just as a bit of clarification; I do accept that people are different, and I totally agree in equality, it's just a preference that I don't think I'll be able to change despite my best efforts already. It's not like I don't 'manscape' myself either, as I've said I feel awkward asking people to change anything.
Original post by Blue_Mason
Ergh being hairy is very unfeminine.


Oh look another poor usage of the p word.
But honestly it is fundamental that women should groom themselves as women are not meant to be hairy.
Hairiness is very unnatractive and masculine.
And finally op has the right to feel the way he feels.


Uh, actually women ARE meant to have body hair, or we wouldn't have to shave it off. It's not like some women decide to take body-hair-growing drugs, that **** just grows whether we like it or not. I personally choose to shave, but we are 'meant' to have arm-pit hair, biologically speaking.
Reply 9
Tell her to shave.

It's ****ing disgusting, ignore all the feminazis that will swarm this thread with their usual women are repressed bull****.
Original post by sarahwitkowski
Uh, actually women ARE meant to have body hair, or we wouldn't have to shave it off. It's not like some women decide to take body-hair-growing drugs, that **** just grows whether we like it or not. I personally choose to shave, but we are 'meant' to have arm-pit hair, biologically speaking.



Then if you personally choose to shave, then what is the point in protesting your message?
Also, pit hair is useless,not attractive and as a boy/man I shave my pit hair too for hygiene purposes, so I expect women to be more strict when it comes to personal hygiene.
Original post by Blue_Mason
Then if you personally choose to shave, then what is the point in protesting your message?
Also, pit hair is useless,not attractive and as a boy/man I shave my pit hair too for hygiene purposes, so I expect women to be more strict when it comes to personal hygiene.


Actually arm pit hair traps sweat and bacteria away from the skin, preventing infections. Shaving is less hygienic as it often leads to ingrown hairs and infected follicles. The point is that it's an individual choice and just because I choose to shave doesn't mean I think it's ok to call people who don't disgusting.
Original post by LTG
Tell her to shave.

It's ****ing disgusting, ignore all the feminazis that will swarm this thread with their usual women are repressed bull****.


Your attitude is what is disgusting.
Original post by Anonymous
Alright, as a not particularly hairy dude in a society where hair is seen almost exclusively as a manly thing, I'm not off to a particularly great start.

But there's this girl I like and we're doing something a bit chilled, we get on great, the issue is she is much hairier than me. I'll admit I do find a bit emasculating, as well as a bit gross (armpit hair is just one of those things I can't handle, it makes me think of men every time I see it and I'm straight).

I generally don't expect people to do anything to their bodies that I wouldn't do to myself, but I can't hold out any longer. I know it's shallow of me but it's such a turn off that I think I'll have to ask her to get rid of it at some point, because the relationship is entirely sexual and it's the least sexy thing I can imagine... How do I do that without being a total douche?


Look, if this girl wasn't born yesterday, she knows that there are societal pressures to depilate. To me, it seems as if he choice not to do so is actually a move in retaliation to this. It doesn't seem that she'd take kindly to someone pointing this out to her. I don't know if she's the kind of girl that would flip over this, but if you are not attracted to her because of her bodily hair, I suggest you find someone else. I can't judge you for being turned off by this; largely we can't control what turns us on and off. However, it's unfair to ask someone else to conform to your standards of attractiveness if that's not what they're comfortable with :redface:
Original post by sarahwitkowski
Your attitude is what is disgusting.


yep!
Reply 15
Original post by sarahwitkowski
Your attitude is what is disgusting.


You just remember who you're talking to princess.
I think it's sad that women wouldn't just shave, 'au naturale' is not a good look for a women, it just represents a lack of pride in your appearance. OP just tell her how you feel :smile:
Original post by LTG
You just remember who you're talking to princess.


Sorry, who is it I'm talking to? I must have missed the memo.
Reply 18
Original post by sarahwitkowski
Sorry, who is it I'm talking to? I must have missed the memo.


I might give you an answer to that when I feel like it.
Original post by LTG
I might give you an answer to that when I feel like it.


I won't be holding my breath.

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