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Pharmacists are useless

This is gonna sound a bit rash but pharmacists, I don't think, deserve the money they get.. I did work experience in a pharmacy and honestly the pharmacist I worked with did silly things like put stickers on your medicines and organised medicines which anyone could do. The only thing he did that was useful was give advice to people if they described their symptoms on what medicine to take.. In some cases he would just refer you to a doctor though. So I really don't understand the profession and why you have to spend 4 years at uni studying for it and why it's so popular. I'm probably quite ignorant so I welcome all views...
I did work experience with a pharmacist in a pharmacy, I enjoyed my time there very much! I don't think that she was useless. She also lectured at a university along with being a pharmacist. I don't know, I never viewed them as useless.
That is kind of like saying that "all dentists do" is pull teeth and plug holes.

They are trained to spot contra effects with medicines and to advise on lesser medical complaints.

The fact that a pharmacist can be jailed for mistakes in dispensing should tell you the value of the work
Original post by domonict

The fact that a pharmacist can be jailed for mistakes in dispensing should tell you the value of the work


This, its the liability thing!
The only thing I've found pharmacists useful for in my experience is giving out advice on medicines to take when I either can't go to A&E or I've already been. Other than that, I've often felt the same.
Friend of mine is doing a pharmacy apprenticeship which allows him to work his way up to manager role anyway so rofl. I guess for those doing a degree its just so they can dispense the drugs and understand them on a chemical level
As a young doctor I can say I wholeheartedly disagree with you, they are extremely helpful and are a very useful resource within hospitals and communities. They dispense but also check prescriptions for errors, pick up issues that prescribers may have missed such as doses being different for people with different renal function/weights, and can be very helpful with working out which drug is causing side effects and things such as that or can be asked for advice if a prescriber wishes to prescribe something which is more tricky or less commonly used.
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Original post by domonict
That is kind of like saying that "all dentists do" is pull teeth and plug holes.

They are trained to spot contra effects with medicines and to advise on lesser medical complaints.

The fact that a pharmacist can be jailed for mistakes in dispensing should tell you the value of the work


But when do they actually do that? If someone falls ill, do they really trace it back to the medicine they used... isn't it the doctor who has to deal with that stuff. I know what you mean but In my experience the pharmacist really wasn't that necessary
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Original post by marco14196
Friend of mine is doing a pharmacy apprenticeship which allows him to work his way up to manager role anyway so rofl. I guess for those doing a degree its just so they can dispense the drugs and understand them on a chemical level


LOL how many years is his apprenticeship?
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Original post by TheRabbit
As a young doctor I can say I wholeheartedly disagree with you, they are extremely helpful and are a very useful resource within hospitals and communities. They dispense but also check prescriptions for errors, pick up issues that prescribers may have missed such as doses being different for people with different renal function/weights, and can be very helpful with working out which drug is causing side effects and things such as that or can be asked for advice if a prescriber wishes to prescribe something which is more tricky or less commonly used.


Fair enough. I guess I don't know what goes on behind the scenes! I've rarely seen the pharmacist I work with talk about the ingredients in a drug and what it will cause. But can't a computer work out what dosage you require according to your weight etc
Original post by Anonymous
LOL how many years is his apprenticeship?


I believe it is 2 years or so. He'll be making bank once he has been there a few years. He'll top out at £30-£40K which is pretty good.
A couple months back, my doctor prescribed me an antibiotic which isn't meant to be used with the medication I'm on. The pharmacist picked up on the error - not useless. :smile:
Original post by Anonymous
Fair enough. I guess I don't know what goes on behind the scenes! I've rarely seen the pharmacist I work with talk about the ingredients in a drug and what it will cause. But can't a computer work out what dosage you require according to your weight etc


Thing is, that's a pharmacist's job, to talk to patients about what's in their medicines and explain how they work. Do you work there or are you shadowing people for a while? When I did work experience at school I didn't see much of what the actual pharmacist did because I was working with the pre-reg student. But at work, I do dispensing and counter stuff, because I'm still a student, but my boss is really good and he lets me watch him counsel patients on different things, he's been doing this for ages so he knows his stuff, and also counsels patients on what's in their medicines, how they might interact with one another, computers can flag up interactions and things but they can't really take into account the human factor, pharmacy nowadays is shifting towards a more patient-centered approach a lot more, and also technicians are taking on a lot of the tasks pharmacists traditionally did and that leaves pharmacists more scope to use their clinical knowledge. I mean generally yes I think there's less opportunity to really make use of your degree in community pharmacy as it stands, in comparison to hospital pharmacy (but I'm biased because that's what I want to do), but that doesn't in any way mean that pharmacists as a whole are useless, or that community pharmacists are useless. Also, considering the current hysteria around whether or not robots are going to take over our jobs, pharmacy is actual one of the fields that's less likely for that to occur. Which indicates that we're far from useless (not of course that anyone whose job might eventually be taken over by robots is useless, just that it indicates pharmacists have a skillset which can't be easily thrown away just because some people undervalue it)

And yes, pharmacists do a bit of dispensing, it's good to keep those skills and honestly, as long as it doesn't become 100% of what a pharmacist does I do think it's important for us to keep doing at least a little of it, especially when a pharmacy is busy because that work needs to be done and there's no point in considering ourselves too qualified or too important for the work when we're trained to do it.
You're right, you don't understand the profession and you are quite ignorant (your words, not mine).
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I think that you missed out on a lot when you were at your placement. You saw a pharmacist sticking labels on a box I don't think I would want just anyone dispensing and professionally checking my medication. I don't think you could do it or just anyone could do it. There is a reason why pharmacists do a masters degree. It is to ensure the safe and effective use of medicines. A pharmacist's role in a community pharmacy will vary to that of one in hospital and industry. Pharmacists counsel, hold specialist clinics and also prescribe medications when qualified to do so.

To say that a pharmacist doesn't deserve the salary he/she gets paid is ludicrous as they make life changing interventions often. Their role is invaluable it may not be like that every second of the day i.e. when you may have seen him dispensing or checking a medication. But please bare in my the consequences of an error can be fatal. A pharmacist is an integral member of the healthcare team. Perhaps not one who is highlighted as such often but nevertheless is.

Perhaps you should have mentioned how you felt to your pharmacist during your placement OP.
(edited 8 years ago)
I am a community pharmacist. Much of what I do goes unnoticed by my patients, especially if I do it right. My major duty is to check drug dosages, form and class are correct. Drs are busy people and sometimes select the wrong dose, wrong interval or wrong drug completely. I safe guard children and the elderly to prevent drug interactions, contraindications or to advise medical staff on suitable alternatives if the above applies or medicine is in dangerously short supply. I handle drug recalls, special orders and deliver services to ensure drug opisation, reduce non-compliance, abuse, misuse and to keep the elderly independant for longer. Dosing and pharmacokinetics can be a variable and complex thing, even in a narrow population set. I offer frontline medical advice to keep people out of crowded A&Es, or refer them when they really need to see a doctor STAT but havnt gone! I police controlled drugs and keep doctors and prescribing nurses safe and out of court by acting as a safty net. I also stick labels on boxes 500 times a day. A good pharmacist will do all this, and help you with your blocked nose or rash at the counter.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by Coriolantus
Thing is, that's a pharmacist's job, to talk to patients about what's in their medicines and explain how they work. Do you work there or are you shadowing people for a while? When I did work experience at school I didn't see much of what the actual pharmacist did because I was working with the pre-reg student. But at work, I do dispensing and counter stuff, because I'm still a student, but my boss is really good and he lets me watch him counsel patients on different things, he's been doing this for ages so he knows his stuff, and also counsels patients on what's in their medicines, how they might interact with one another, computers can flag up interactions and things but they can't really take into account the human factor, pharmacy nowadays is shifting towards a more patient-centered approach a lot more, and also technicians are taking on a lot of the tasks pharmacists traditionally did and that leaves pharmacists more scope to use their clinical knowledge. I mean generally yes I think there's less opportunity to really make use of your degree in community pharmacy as it stands, in comparison to hospital pharmacy (but I'm biased because that's what I want to do), but that doesn't in any way mean that pharmacists as a whole are useless, or that community pharmacists are useless. Also, considering the current hysteria around whether or not robots are going to take over our jobs, pharmacy is actual one of the fields that's less likely for that to occur. Which indicates that we're far from useless (not of course that anyone whose job might eventually be taken over by robots is useless, just that it indicates pharmacists have a skillset which can't be easily thrown away just because some people undervalue it)

And yes, pharmacists do a bit of dispensing, it's good to keep those skills and honestly, as long as it doesn't become 100% of what a pharmacist does I do think it's important for us to keep doing at least a little of it, especially when a pharmacy is busy because that work needs to be done and there's no point in considering ourselves too qualified or too important for the work when we're trained to do it.


Why do you want to be a hospital pharmacist instead of a community pharmacist?
Also, are there any other career routes to do down. Would you consider industrial pharmacy? Why or why not?
Thanks
Original post by pharmacat
As a (soon to be) hospital pharmacy pre-reg I'm not in the best position to comment on community pharmacists, but pharmacists who work in hospital are hardly every in the dispensary "putting stickers on your medicines"

They're on the ward calculating drug doses, recommending optimum therapy, speaking to patients about how they're getting on with their meds, advising doctors on what to prescribe, prescribing medicines themselves (if taken the prescribing course), working out drip rates on infusions, discontinuing/changing medicines if inappropriate for example if the patient has a poor renal function.

The pharmacist does loads more but thats just a few important tasks :smile:

Hope I've educated you xoxoxo


Why do you want to be a hospital pharmacist instead of a community pharmacist?
Also, are there any other career routes to do down. Would you consider industrial pharmacy? Why or why not?
Thanks
hahahahah do you even think that the only work of the pharmacist is to dispense medicine then you should search wikipedia for correcting your so called stupid concept.

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