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Why are men not gong to Uni?

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/thousands-men-missing-university-education

For the umpteenth year in a row the gap between men and women going to uni has widened. I've read a few articles on this but not seen anyone mention what I think the problem is: lack of male teachers.

Im doing a my second placement in a primary school and it's really not hard to notice how few male teachers/TAs there are. Out of 25 at my current primary there are 3 men (and that includes me who is not even employed there!)

Its not as extreme at secondary but it's still a problem. Boys are going to grow up thinking (much in the way historically has been true for women in science) education is not for them.

Why are so few men in primary education? I've not done much research on this but there are some connotations with men and young children which rarely seems to be out of the news these days. (I myself want to work in post 16 when degree completed).

I realise how advantaged men are in the world but without good education we are going to create the next ukip voters of the future.

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Original post by skeptical_john
https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/thousands-men-missing-university-education

For the umpteenth year in a row the gap between men and women going to uni has widened. I've read a few articles on this but not seen anyone mention what I think the problem is: lack of male teachers.

Im doing a my second placement in a primary school and it's really not hard to notice how few male teachers/TAs there are. Out of 25 at my current primary there are 3 men (and that includes me who is not even employed there!)

Its not as extreme at secondary but it's still a problem. Boys are going to grow up thinking (much in the way historically has been true for women in science) education is not for them.

Why are so few men in primary education? I've not done much research on this but there are some connotations with men and young children which rarely seems to be out of the news these days. (I myself want to work in post 16 when degree completed).

I realise how advantaged men are in the world but without good education we are going to create the next ukip voters of the future.


Might be worth looking at which courses unis have been expanding most rapidly since the cap was lifted.

Interesting suggestion from the sutton trust that unis should investigate which outreach initiatives are effective, I do rather suspect unis like talking about how much they're spending on outreach a lot more than they do about how well it's working
Reply 2
You have to look at subjects to see if there is a problem or not.

Fewer men want to study Humanities or Arts subjects, for which universities take the most students, because they are cheapest to run. There are no campaigns to encourage men to study English, History, Foreign Languages, Nursing or Psychology. Perhaps there should be - I imagine there aren't because those careers have no supply shortage of graduates, unlike Engineering.

Traditionally "male" apprenticeships (e.g. in the building sector) are still apprenticeships, while traditionally "female" apprenticeships have become degrees (Nursing and "Childhood Studies"). Not sure why this happened, but all the women who would have done those apprenticeships are going to university now.

I think that perhaps universities should increase the number of places for Engineering degrees. But they will be more expensive to teach...

Other reasons for fewer men at universities may be video game and porn addictions affecting their revision.

You are spot on about encouraging men into teaching, too, though I fear most boys will see this as a "gay" thing to do...
They are getting outmanoeuvred by women. There are still men at universities just from overseas. White working class is falling behind.

Sad thing is women will not settle for men who don't have similar or better education.
they gotta take care of all these illegitimate babies they're makin
Reply 5
Because the rise of third wave feminism helped the education system turn its back on men.
Original post by Inexorably
Because the rise of third wave feminism helped the education system turn its back on men.


Yes. Definitely...
I went to a school that had two catchment areas. One was extremely middle class. Most got top grades and went to good universities. The other one, consisted of kids from working class former mining communities. Many of them, particularly the lads, took pride in their stupidity, had contempt for education and had no qualms about bullying those that put some effort in. Few went on to A levels. The rest either became unemployed or went into poorly paid jobs with little job security. Which isn't so much a reflection of them, its an area where there are limited job opportunities. You either get educated and escape or stay.

I don't know how much my school was a microcosm of the UK as a whole, but from what I've seen many white working class lads fail because they don't even try.
Original post by Bill_Gates
Sad thing is women will not settle for men who don't have similar or better education.

Why is this a bad thing? If women have progressed so far, why should they settle for something which they perceive will weight themselves down?
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Original post by Bill_Gates
They are getting outmanoeuvred by women. There are still men at universities just from overseas. White working class is falling behind.

Sad thing is women will not settle for men who don't have similar or better education.


Unless they've got plenty of Wonga.
Have to disagree with the "Women want men who are as educated, if not moreso than them". There are much bigger off puttings things for a women, like being a douche. Many women would date men who they out earn, not many women would be willing to stick with a guy who only thought of himself/was in general unpleasant.
Maybe men are more likely to believe the myth propagated on TSR that "university is a waste of time" and "you are better off not going" because "government lied about it"
Original post by Howard
Unless they've got plenty of Wonga.


I've always said that Howard. £££££ beats everything :tongue:
Original post by Bupdeeboowah
Why is this a bad thing? If women have progressed so far, why should they settle for something which they perceive will weight themselves down?


I agree, more power to them. Although long term happiness won't be great for this ultra competitive female going against human nature.
Original post by Bill_Gates
I agree, more power to them. Although long term happiness won't be great for this ultra competitive female going against human nature.
Men have been ultra competitive throughout history - so why can't women be competitive as well? Is this against human nature?
Original post by Bupdeeboowah
Men have been ultra competitive throughout history - so why can't women be competitive as well? Is this against human nature?


Sure is.

Poor women.
Original post by llys
You have to look at subjects to see if there is a problem or not.

Fewer men want to study Humanities or Arts subjects, for which universities take the most students, because they are cheapest to run. There are no campaigns to encourage men to study English, History, Foreign Languages, Nursing or Psychology. Perhaps there should be - I imagine there aren't because those careers have no supply shortage of graduates, unlike Engineering.

Traditionally "male" apprenticeships (e.g. in the building sector) are still apprenticeships, while traditionally "female" apprenticeships have become degrees (Nursing and "Childhood Studies":wink:. Not sure why this happened, but all the women who would have done those apprenticeships are going to university now.

I think that perhaps universities should increase the number of places for Engineering degrees. But they will be more expensive to teach...

Other reasons for fewer men at universities may be video game and porn addictions affecting their revision.

You are spot on about encouraging men into teaching, too, though I fear most boys will see this as a "gay" thing to do...


That's an interesting point on traditional female jobs now requiring a degree (probably a good thing eg nursing) Ofcourse many men have gone into apprentaships but you would've thought these would be getting rarer.

Not sure on porn/game addiction. Are men more susceptible to addiction than women? It's so easy to get into some form of uni these days.
Original post by Quantex
I went to a school that had two catchment areas. One was extremely middle class. Most got top grades and went to good universities. The other one, consisted of kids from working class former mining communities. Many of them, particularly the lads, took pride in their stupidity, had contempt for education and had no qualms about bullying those that put some effort in. Few went on to A levels. The rest either became unemployed or went into poorly paid jobs with little job security. Which isn't so much a reflection of them, its an area where there are limited job opportunities. You either get educated and escape or stay.

I don't know how much my school was a microcosm of the UK as a whole, but from what I've seen many white working class lads fail because they don't even try.


Yes there has always been a culture of not wanting to be seen to be doing well at school for poor white boys. Not sure why this would be causing a further widening now as its been there for decades?

Maybe we are just getting to the natural balance as things stand. From what (little) I have read there are more women than men at most countries going to uni.
Reply 18
Women are more concerned with a man's earning potential, while men more concerned with her reproductive potential. Hence attractive girls marry up for money and men marry down for beauty.

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Original post by si82
Women are more concerned with a man's earning potential, while men more concerned with her reproductive potential. Hence attractive girls marry up for money and men marry down for beauty.

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While I don't disagree with your analysis I'm not sure how that would reflect in fewer men gong to uni?

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