President Trump is right again!
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Original post by joecphillips
It all started because a **** player was about to lose his job and wanted the media onside.
But there is losing your job and losing your job. And very often, the way in which black people lose their jobs is very different to the way in which white people lose their jobs. Honestly - black people don't want to have to make grand statements in an attempt to be treated equally. It really shouldn't be this hard.
Original post by QE2
Really? The Stars and Stripes? You do realise that it is used to sell everything from beer to guns to porn, and is emblazoned on just about every trinket and piece of clothing you can imagine, including underwear. Makes me laugh/cry that making a peaceful, silent protest about racial discrimination is "disrespecting the flag", but wedging it up between your bumcheeks isn't! *smh*
About time we stop banging on this preposterous drum, that may be what a flag or anthem mean to you but it really isn't the same for everyone. You and others just keep going on about your own feelings as if the silent majority just ought to feel the same. Nationalism may be more diluted in this country than anywhere else but it definitely isn't the case that nobody else gives a damn. Of course the left are all anti-everything that gets in the way of redesigning the world, down with religion, nationalism, capitalism, democracy, monarchy, flags, anthems, the EU, it is just more of the same we hear from the usual suspects. It's the silent majority that make it a safe bet that a poll would reveal most people dislike this type of thing, Trump will be re-elected the way it's going. That's my personal opinion, so you don't care about the flag.
Also notice that Trump didn't accuse the Charlottesville Nazis who carried the Stars and Stripes of "disrespecting the flag".
I'm tired, what did the Nazis do that was disrespectful to the flag then? Did they burn one?
Original post by ByEeek
But there is losing your job and losing your job. And very often, the way in which black people lose their jobs is very different to the way in which white people lose their jobs. Honestly - black people don't want to have to make grand statements in an attempt to be treated equally. It really shouldn't be this hard.
He was losing his job because he was a terrible player not because he was black.
Over 70% of the nfl is black, I don’t think that race played a part.
Original post by joecphillips
He was losing his job because he was a terrible player not because he was black.
Over 70% of the nfl is black, I don’t think that race played a part.
Over 70% of the nfl is black, I don’t think that race played a part.
Worse QBs than him were given contracts this summer over him. He wasn't signed because of the manner and content of his protest, simple as
Original post by alexschmalex
Worse QBs than him were given contracts this summer over him. He wasn't signed because of the manner and content of his protest, simple as
He’s a Tim Tebow and that is why he wasn’t signed, also when your fiancé/wife is calling team legends django and slating the owners of teams considering signing you that isn’t going to help your chances
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by joecphillips
He’s a Tim Tebow and that is why he wasn’t signed, also when your fiancé/wife is calling team legends django and slating the owners of teams considering signing you that isn’t going to help your chances
Agreed.
This is what is so depressing about these recent protests, how divisive they are. Identity politics consciously seeks to divide, obviously, and here we see the consequences.
Black players who decide to participate in one of the few civic rituals that bind that fractured nation together, are themselves called "uncle toms" by Kaepernick and his black power acolytes.
Original post by AnnieGakusei
It says a lot about Trump that he got riled up because a black person peacefully and silently protested, yet he refused to condemn Charlottesville.
I'm pretty sure being an alt-right neo-Nazi causes more division than unity and has the potential to be far more harmful. Oh wait! We have a story about someone kneeling down for the national anthem? Let's focus on that!
I'm pretty sure being an alt-right neo-Nazi causes more division than unity and has the potential to be far more harmful. Oh wait! We have a story about someone kneeling down for the national anthem? Let's focus on that!
He did condemn it...
Original post by Underscore__
He did condemn it...
Eventually, after bowing to pressure.
Original post by AnnieGakusei
Eventually, after bowing to pressure.
But eventually you mean about two days after? It was definitely due to public pressure, Trump often changes his position because he’s upset people.
It’s funny how everyone loved Obama’s response to Dallas despite him not calling out the horrible ideology behind it but it took Trump two days to call out white supremacists and Nazis and everyone goes crazy.
Original post by astutehirstute
Identity politics consciously seeks to divide, obviously, and here we see the consequences.
one of the few civic rituals that bind that fractured nation together
Identity politics consciously seeks to divide, obviously, and here we see the consequences.
one of the few civic rituals that bind that fractured nation together
That contradiction didn't take long.....
Original post by ByEeek
But there is losing your job and losing your job. And very often, the way in which black people lose their jobs is very different to the way in which white people lose their jobs. Honestly - black people don't want to have to make grand statements in an attempt to be treated equally. It really shouldn't be this hard.
How are black players not treated equally in the NFL? Players are sourced by a Darwinian survival of the fittest "Draft" system, in which Franchises bid for the best players amongst those at University that year, with the worst teams getting the highest pick.
One step back, the big University Football Programmes award scholarships to the most promising High School students. These support talented athletes from financially disadvantaged backgrounds with no requirement to actually study anything in any serious way at university. Many can barely write their names, frankly.
Black people are very good at American Football, and they are therefore significantly over represented in the NFL. Over 70% of players are Black against a percentage of the US population that is African American of just over 13%.
NFL players are incredibly wealthy and privileged, whatever the colour of their skins. Black players (and coaches) are now (it didn't used to be the case admittedly) treated equally with whites in all senses except (arguably) one. Quarterbacks tend to be white, but even that is now changing, (as evidenced by Kaepernick himself). It is not a racist sport, don't believe what you read in the Guardian or see on the BBC. What matters is how good you are, not what your colour is.
Now Colin Kaepernick is a distinctly mediocre player and if he were a superstar he would have a job despite the protest. (In my opinion if he were a superstar he wouldn't have made the protest, but that is a different matter).
Being nothing special as a player and then pis sing everyone off means that he doesn't have a job any more. That isn't inequality, it is just how it is.
In any job if you aren't especially good, and you make yourself unpopular you are going to struggle. That is life, he isn't some martyr to racism.
He's an arrogant fool, a total tool. And deserves all he has brought upon himself.
(Having said that, if he hadn't made his little gesture he would probably have ended up as a back up somewhere and then been "cut" in a couple of years to make way for someone in the salary cap, so it isn't though it made that much difference when push comes to shove, really).
Sorry but Trump is right again? When was he right the first time?
Also a bunch of white nationalists protest that the country isn't racist enough, screaming nazi slogans, carrying swastikas and Trump says "not all of them were neo nazis.
Black people quitely kneel during the playing of the national anthem to protest racial inequality and police brutality Trumps response is those sons of *****es should be fired.
Also a bunch of white nationalists protest that the country isn't racist enough, screaming nazi slogans, carrying swastikas and Trump says "not all of them were neo nazis.
Black people quitely kneel during the playing of the national anthem to protest racial inequality and police brutality Trumps response is those sons of *****es should be fired.
Original post by anarchism101
That contradiction didn't take long.....
Well you are a self confessed anarchist, aren't you?
You don't (presumably?) even believe in the very existence of the state for which a song sings. So are hardly likely to appreciate the importance of a "national anthem" honoring it and acting as a focal point for communal cohesion.
Original post by Gwilym101
Black people quitely kneel during the playing of the national anthem to protest racial inequality and police brutality Trumps response is those sons of *****es should be fired.
Black people quitely kneel during the playing of the national anthem to protest racial inequality and police brutality Trumps response is those sons of *****es should be fired.
He was right that they should be fired. As he says. the NFL is a business and these campaigns are damaging the brand.
Of course they can't all now be fired, because no players, no product. But he was talking when the numbers disrespecting the anthem were very small. His comments increased the protests, obviously, it was a paradigm shift.
It will be interesting to see the TV ratings of Sunday's matches. That was his point, ratings are in decline because of all this nonsense. That is hotly disputed by leftists, but if they continue to fall it will prove he was right about that, too.
And of course helped to bring it about...
Original post by Gwilym101
Sorry but Trump is right again? When was he right the first time?
His support for the implementation of democracy in Afghanistan, the denouncing of China as accomplices of NK, the turning of the screw on a problem that no one else had the balls to challenge before, barking at Venezuela that democracy is best for them, the american electorate will have their own opinions.
Also a bunch of white nationalists protest that the country isn't racist enough, screaming nazi slogans, carrying swastikas and Trump says "not all of them were neo nazis.
He was right on that too.
Black people quitely kneel during the playing of the national anthem to protest racial inequality and police brutality Trumps response is those sons of *****es should be fired.
Black or white, he would have reacted the same way. He was right on principle, in my opinion.
why is trump so offended by things that aren't even hurting anyone I don't get it
Original post by R.Shackleford
why is trump so offended by things that aren't even hurting anyone I don't get it
How to explain?
At Wembley stadium at the weekend NFL players refused to stand for their own national anthem, and then stood to attention for God Save the Queen.
Why did they do that? Because they knew that to disrespect the national anthem of their hosts would be regarded as boorish and ill mannered.
Exactly what they had just revealed themselves to be to their own compatriots. It caused huge offence and Trump was capitalising.
There is also an element of faux outrage, though. Trump is not having a great time politically, (makes a change!) his last ditch attempt to repeal Obamacare has just been defeated, and his nominee to a vacant senate seat in Alabama recently lost to a guy championed by someone he just fired, Steve Bannon.
This fuss over nothing, basically, reheating an old controversy which had all but died down, has totally driven all that from the news agenda. Lining him up on the side of Old Glory, against a bunch of vastly overpaid and highly unpopular, sports stars.
Hope that helps...
Americans are more patriotic than Brits, that's why they get more offended by such gestures.
The NFL players have a right to protest against racial injustice, but not during the National Anthem, as it's disrespectful to those that lost their lives fighting for the freedoms of others. I think that is the general sentiment of many Americans.
The NFL players have a right to protest against racial injustice, but not during the National Anthem, as it's disrespectful to those that lost their lives fighting for the freedoms of others. I think that is the general sentiment of many Americans.
Original post by Golden State
Americans are more patriotic than Brits, that's why they get more offended by such gestures.
The NFL players have a right to protest against racial injustice, but not during the National Anthem, as it's disrespectful to those that lost their lives fighting for the freedoms of others. I think that is the general sentiment of many Americans.
The NFL players have a right to protest against racial injustice, but not during the National Anthem, as it's disrespectful to those that lost their lives fighting for the freedoms of others. I think that is the general sentiment of many Americans.
Surely it would be more disrespectful to stand idly by while those freedoms are ignored and others are denied similair freedoms?
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