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So got 3n^2 +2
How do i write a statement for ii)like a proof one?
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Original post by Kalabamboo
So got 3n^2 +2
How do i write a statement for ii)like a proof one?


Well, clearly you got some a +2 at the end there. If you are going to divide that expression by 3, the first term will reduce down to an integer which is fine, but the +2 poses a problem whereby it would be the remainder of the division. Hence we do not obtain an integer overall.

We say one thing divides another if the remainder is 0, so can you see how the above works out?
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Original post by RDKGames
Well, clearly you got some a +2 at the end there. If you are going to divide that expression by 3, the first term will reduce down to an integer which is fine, but the +2 poses a problem whereby it would be the remainder of the division. Hence we do not obtain an integer overall.

We say one thing divides another if the remainder is 0, so can you see how the above works out?

So if you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3 you get n^2 + 2/3
why do you have to get an integer?
Original post by Kalabamboo
So if you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3 you get n^2 + 2/3
why do you have to get an integer?


That's how divisibility is usually defined.

One integer divides another if the result is an integer.
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Original post by RDKGames
That's how divisibility is usually defined.

One integer divides another if the result is an integer.


Ah so do you just say it's not divisible by 3 because you don't get any integer value or something.
Here's what the ms says:
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Original post by Kalabamboo
Ah so do you just say it's not divisible by 3 because you don't get any integer value or something.
Here's what the ms says:


Essentially, but just saying that doesn't justify it. As I said previously, the +2 is the problem so you need to use it in your reason just as the mark scheme does.
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Original post by RDKGames
Essentially, but just saying that doesn't justify it. As I said previously, the +2 is the problem so you need to use it in your reason just as the mark scheme does.


Could you please tell me how I could word it:colondollar: That would be great:smile:
Original post by Kalabamboo
Could you please tell me how I could word it:colondollar: That would be great:smile:


Why? The mark scheme is right there!
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Original post by RDKGames
Why? The mark scheme is right there!


Ok quoting ms "3n2 is always a multiple of 3 so remainder after dividing by 3 is always 2"
How is remainder after dividing by 3 2?
if you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3 you get n^2 + 2/3
which means remainder = 2/3 so howd they get that?
Original post by Kalabamboo
Ok quoting ms "3n2 is always a multiple of 3 so remainder after dividing by 3 is always 2"
How is remainder after dividing by 3 2?
if you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3 you get n^2 + 2/3
which means remainder = 2/3 so howd they get that?


That's not how remainders work...

A remainder is the 'extra' you need to get to your value;. i.e. when you divide 7 by 3, clearly you can take two steps of length 3 to reach 6 which is fine, then the extra step required is 1 to reach 7.
Original post by RDKGames
That's not how remainders work...

A remainder is the 'extra' you need to get to your value;. i.e. when you divide 7 by 3, clearly you can take two steps of length 3 to reach 6 which is fine, then the extra step required is 1 to reach 7.


Yes that makes sense but i cant figure about what the remainder would be if you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3
Original post by Kalabamboo
Yes that makes sense but i cant figure about what the remainder would be if you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3


Clearly, you take n2n^2 amount of steps of length 3 to reach some number, then you need to take 2 extra to reach 3n2+23n^2+2

So two is the remainder
Original post by RDKGames
Clearly, you take n2n^2 amount of steps of length 3 to reach some number, then you need to take 2 extra to reach 3n2+23n^2+2

So two is the remainder


Oh ok but what is the meaning of n^2 + 2/3 when you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3 ?cause they mention that in the ms too
Original post by Kalabamboo
Oh ok but what is the meaning of n^2 + 2/3 when you divide 3n^2 +2 by 3 ?cause they mention that in the ms too


It shows that you're adding a fraction to an integer, so the result overall is not an integer.
Original post by RDKGames
It shows that you're adding a fraction to an integer, so the result overall is not an integer.


Ok so when you do 7 divided by 3 you get 2 remainder 1 , when you do 3n^2 +2 divided by 3 you get n^2 + 2/3 and then where did the remainder go?
This is where my confusion stems from
Original post by Kalabamboo
Ok so when you do 7 divided by 3 you get 2 remainder 1 , when you do 3n^2 +2 divided by 3 you get n^2 + 2/3 and then where did the remainder go?
This is where my confusion stems from


7/3 = 2 remainder 1

(3n^2+2)/3 = n^2 remainder 2


7/3 = 2 + 1/3

(3n^2+2)/3 = n^2 + 2/3


TBH I don't know how to clear up your confusion if you're stuck on this as it is fairly elementary.
Original post by RDKGames
7/3 = 2 remainder 1

(3n^2+2)/3 = n^2 remainder 2

Oh ok so taking the first one:
Instead of doing 7/3 we can do (6+1)/3 = (6/3) + (1/3) to give 2 remainder 1 which is the same thing as 2 + 1/3 --> is that how it works?
Original post by Kalabamboo
Oh ok so taking the first one:
Instead of doing 7/3 we can do (6+1)/3 = (6/3) + (1/3) to give 2 remainder 1 which is the same thing as 2 + 1/3 --> is that how it works?


Yes.
Original post by RDKGames
Yes.


:smile: Thanks a lot

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