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Was I overambitious? Getting high marks in a social science degree (Philosophy)

Hello, I think I'm being ridiculous and I guess I just want some validation from internet-strangers (not gonna mess around).

I do the minimum amount of maths modules (where it is possible to get really high marks, I feel) so I'm doing about 80% philosophy. I've managed to get over 80 in quite a few essays and I guess I thought I 'cracked the code' for writing really good essays. BTW: I don't necessarily think high marks in undergrad essays reflect your skill as a philosopher, just that you know how to write an essay that gets marked well. Even so, I did much better than I thought I would in 1st/2nd year in my degree (Maths and Philosophy). I challenged myself in 3rd year to get an average 80%+.

But then I got my marks back for one of my first big assignments for the summer (they all come out module by module, no structure) and it's not as good as I hoped. I honestly did my best, and the feedback was nothing I didn't consider. It pointed out things I chose not to include because of the limited word count. It feels like I just didn't write the kind of essay that this lecturer was looking for, whereas others wouldn't have minded. In my opinion, it wasn't any worse than the others essays I've got really high marks on. I'm not in contact with any of the people on my course really, so I don't have anyone to chat with.

I guess I'm just wondering, was I being unrealistic? I don't wanna be the typical TSR crybaby - 'oh my god I got a 2.1'. It's absolutely not the end of the world. It's just it will definitely make it impossible to get what I set out to. But I have worked my ass off, barely socialised, sacrificed quite a few things to try and get every essay, exam, assignment done to an extremely high standard. I guess I just want some confirmation as to whether I was being overambitious, trying to average 80 at the end of the year in a mostly essay based subject. I always feel it's easy to get a 2.1 but hard to get a first for philosophy. Whereas for the maths I do, difficult to get a 2.1 but not that much harder to get a first from there.

Any thoughts from people doing essay based subjects? Was I being stupid? Should I have just gone out more? (literally not been clubbing even once since the year began, lost some friends, kind of regretting it)
hey! philosophy graduate here - i completely agree with the sentiment that getting a first - especially a high first - is much harder than getting a 2.1, it is relatively easy to get a 65, but a 75+ requires a certain kind of originality, a level of critical thinking and structural execution that is far more advanced. it is absolutely an incredible achievement for you to have been consecutively getting an 80 - i know that it hurts for your average not to reflect that, but don't let it take away from your achievement in those essays! some professors told me the highest mark they ever gave a student was 82 which was when they "blew them away" so i was chuffed to even get a 78. also, it's most likely not that you didn't write a good essay, but that you missed the mark of what you were supposed to do (which reflects nothing on your skill) - i understand how you feel about the lack of socialising and not putting yourself out there, but je ne regrette rien! what's done is done, you may have sacrificed yourself but it DID lead you to getting great marks, even if your final essay didn't reflect that. as someone who has lived both extremes (by only socialising and not focusing on studying and only studying and not focusing on socialising) the burden of not studying was 10 x more stressful and no matter how much i enjoyed meeting new people, it always dawned on me that i wasn't doing enough. some people find the perfect balance between the two, but i'm not that kind of person, i like to put my all into things so i tend to neglect what's not my priority. but that's just my opinion! you're stil young and have a world ahead of you to get out there!
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Thank you so much! This reply actually means a lot. I know at the end of the day, I've learned loads from all the research I've done and that's what really counts. I'm thinking of doing a masters somewhere down the line, and realistically if I did do a masters/phd I think I would shoot for a teaching position as a lecturer after that.

If I did a PhD there's no way I'd wanna go back to the real world after that! I know how competitive the academic job market is, so I guess I was telling myself I needed to have perfect marks in order to have any kind of chance. But it's probably not the case! I think I just needed to hear that I was being a bit crazy there. Thanks for taking the time out to reply, it's really reassuring.

Original post by UneBellePatience
hey! philosophy graduate here - i completely agree with the sentiment that getting a first - especially a high first - is much harder than getting a 2.1, it is relatively easy to get a 65, but a 75+ requires a certain kind of originality, a level of critical thinking and structural execution that is far more advanced. it is absolutely an incredible achievement for you to have been consecutively getting an 80 - i know that it hurts for your average not to reflect that, but don't let it take away from your achievement in those essays! some professors told me the highest mark they ever gave a student was 82 which was when they "blew them away" so i was chuffed to even get a 78. also, it's most likely not that you didn't write a good essay, but that you missed the mark of what you were supposed to do (which reflects nothing on your skill) - i understand how you feel about the lack of socialising and not putting yourself out there, but je ne regrette rien! what's done is done, you may have sacrificed yourself but it DID lead you to getting great marks, even if your final essay didn't reflect that. as someone who has lived both extremes (by only socialising and not focusing on studying and only studying and not focusing on socialising) the burden of not studying was 10 x more stressful and no matter how much i enjoyed meeting new people, it always dawned on me that i wasn't doing enough. some people find the perfect balance between the two, but i'm not that kind of person, i like to put my all into things so i tend to neglect what's not my priority. but that's just my opinion! you're stil young and have a world ahead of you to get out there!
Original post by aosgbasdoib
Thank you so much! This reply actually means a lot. I know at the end of the day, I've learned loads from all the research I've done and that's what really counts. I'm thinking of doing a masters somewhere down the line, and realistically if I did do a masters/phd I think I would shoot for a teaching position as a lecturer after that.

If I did a PhD there's no way I'd wanna go back to the real world after that! I know how competitive the academic job market is, so I guess I was telling myself I needed to have perfect marks in order to have any kind of chance. But it's probably not the case! I think I just needed to hear that I was being a bit crazy there. Thanks for taking the time out to reply, it's really reassuring.


i'm doing a masters right now and let me tell you, people have made it into academia with far worse marks, you're doing great!
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Original post by aosgbasdoib
Thank you so much! This reply actually means a lot. I know at the end of the day, I've learned loads from all the research I've done and that's what really counts. I'm thinking of doing a masters somewhere down the line, and realistically if I did do a masters/phd I think I would shoot for a teaching position as a lecturer after that.

If I did a PhD there's no way I'd wanna go back to the real world after that! I know how competitive the academic job market is, so I guess I was telling myself I needed to have perfect marks in order to have any kind of chance. But it's probably not the case! I think I just needed to hear that I was being a bit crazy there. Thanks for taking the time out to reply, it's really reassuring.


Nobody in the academic job market gives a single toss about your undergrad grades, or even where you did your undergrad. They care about two things -teaching quality and publications.

I say this as someone who graduated from a phil degree in 2013 with a mid-80s average, then did the same in my master's. It's quite nice at the time and it's good to put on the CV 'first in cohort', but in terms of academia, nobody is arsed.

The other poster is also right. It's not a character judgement or whatever, you've just likely missed what the intended learning outcome of the assessment actually was. I see this all the time. It doesn't mean it's a bad paper, just that it could've been slightly better directed. Easily fixed, as you no doubt know!

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