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Psychology, Politics or History Degree

I am interested in all three of these potential degrees and having just finished my a-levels with good grades and a gap year, I don’t know which one I should choose. I am mostly interested in the psychology of politics throughout history, and the history of psychology and its application in the modern world. If I took a history degree, would I have a chance to specialise in Psychology throughout history for my postgraduate degree? ( sorry if this doesn’t make sense , I don’t know much about this!)
Original post by Lightningparrot
I am interested in all three of these potential degrees and having just finished my a-levels with good grades and a gap year, I don’t know which one I should choose. I am mostly interested in the psychology of politics throughout history, and the history of psychology and its application in the modern world. If I took a history degree, would I have a chance to specialise in Psychology throughout history for my postgraduate degree? ( sorry if this doesn’t make sense , I don’t know much about this!)

It's unlikely you'd be able to study history and psychology alongside eachother in the UK. I've seen a few history and psychology master's programmes, but it's uncommon and you might not have much choice. History and politics, though, is quite a common course and it's included at a lot of top universities, including Oxbridge, LSE etc.
Original post by Lightningparrot
I am interested in all three of these potential degrees and having just finished my a-levels with good grades and a gap year, I don’t know which one I should choose. I am mostly interested in the psychology of politics throughout history, and the history of psychology and its application in the modern world. If I took a history degree, would I have a chance to specialise in Psychology throughout history for my postgraduate degree? ( sorry if this doesn’t make sense , I don’t know much about this!)


Have a look at the BASc in arts and sciences at UCL. Birmingham have a similar course. Other universities such as Exeter and Durham have degrees such as liberal arts and combined honours, but I can't see one that includes psychology.
Original post by ageshallnot
Have a look at the BASc in arts and sciences at UCL. Birmingham have a similar course. Other universities such as Exeter and Durham have degrees such as liberal arts and combined honours, but I can't see one that includes psychology.


Thanks, I’ll have a look
Original post by Lightningparrot
Thanks, I’ll have a look


Also have a dig around in Birmingham in general. They used to have a post-grad in the Political Psychology of International Relations. I can't see it now, but the expertise might still be there.
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I think you should study psychology, then specialize in the particular period in the history of psychology that interests you. When you reach your master, you will get a historian of psychology to supervise you. These people are normally employed at the psychology departments, not at the history departments, which concern themselves mostly with traditional history, wwII or elizabethan england etc.
Also it will be very difficult for you to evaluate psychological ideas without having some psychological foundation. There is normally a history course included in a psychology degree.

Why do i know this? Well, I am not a psychologist, but I was asked to study the history of psychology. I was interested in the transition between darwinism and functional psychology in the late nineteenth century. I was then told that they actually have few students who are intersted in the historical side of psychology. If you, for instance, decided to look at Erich Fromm or Franz Fannon, popular social psychologists from the mid twentieth century etc, you willl get some of what you want. The gist of what i am saying is that if you wish to study the history of psychology, the best road is through the psychology departments.

When you say "the application of the history of psychology", do you mean its dissimenation through books and academic culture? You will find both freud and jung alive and kicking in literary studies, but they are basically not clinically relevant. You will find lacan in linguistics, along with many other new ones? One interesting thing is that you will also find some of this in computer programming. At youtube they use psychologists to design their interfaces, i have heard? The "like"-button and "network-theory" made zuckerberg a billionaire. And what is the difference between "a facebook like" and an academic citation and the "H-index"? If you disregard the prestige, not much.

And then you have all the fancy "organizational psychologists" who have been milking business leaders for easy cash for many many decades. (these guys are loaded, i tell you) And then you have the feminist psychologists, Luce Irigaray etc. In sport, psychologist are applied to "motivate" people (often the same sort of people as in business).
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Original post by michaelhw
I think you should study psychology, then specialize in the particular period in the history of psychology that interests you. When you reach your master, you will get a historian of psychology to supervise you. These people are normally employed at the psychology departments, not at the history departments, which concern themselves mostly with traditional history, wwII or elizabethan england etc.
Also it will be very difficult for you to evaluate psychological ideas without having some psychological foundation. There is normally a history course included in a psychology degree.

Why do i know this? Well, I am not a psychologist, but I was asked to study the history of psychology. I was interested in the transition between darwinism and functional psychology in the late nineteenth century. I was then told that they actually have few students who are intersted in the historical side of psychology. If you, for instance, decided to look at Erich Fromm or Franz Fannon, popular social psychologists from the mid twentieth century etc, you willl get some of what you want. The gist of what i am saying is that if you wish to study the history of psychology, the best road is through the psychology departments.

When you say "the application of the history of psychology", do you mean its dissimenation through books and academic culture? You will find both freud and jung alive and kicking in literary studies, but they are basically not clinically relevant. You will find lacan in linguistics, along with many other new ones? One interesting thing is that you will also find some of this in computer programming. At youtube they use psychologists to design their interfaces, i have heard? And then you have all the fancy "organizational psychologists" who have been milking business leaders for easy cash for many many decades. (these guys are loaded, i tell you) And then you have the feminist psychologists, Luce Irigaray etc. In sport, psychologist are applied to "motivate" people (often the same sort of people as in business).

Thanks for replying. Since posting this, I have decided I want to do a history degree, but perhaps focus on something along the lines of this in my dissertation (potentially).

The issue is, I’m also really interested in history generally, and wouldn’t want to do a three year course in Psychology after doing it at both GCSE and A-level. I have come to the realisation, that the reason I initially was considering Psychology was due to my interest in the roots of Psychology, not modern day techniques such as CBT, and medication. I also don’t like the “theory” side of Psychology, the constant uncertainty and most topics I covered at A-level. The only topic I really enjoyed thoroughly was “social influence”, because I could apply my history understanding.

I have read some books by psychologists of the past, and the book that basically told me this wasn’t the route was R.D. Laing’s “The Divided Self”. I think it exemplified to me how application of past Psychological methods may not be as relevant as I thought. Finally, due to personal circumstances, Psychology may not be a degree that I am able to deal with.

The reason I was contemplating taking it was also due to the principle, that it may lead to a more clear cut career than doing history, but since, I have talked to my careers officer regarding this, and she agrees that history may actually lead to more than Psychology in the 21st century. Using a historical example, I feel as if psychology degrees and job prospects could be compared to hyperinflation!!

I also weighed up what I do in my spare time, and I read history books, watch history docs, etc… so eventually it was pretty self explanatory for me which the best degree choice was. But this was an interesting read, so thank you. And thank you everyone else for replying!
Reply 7
My advice is to follow interests in life. Getting a job later on not doing something you enjoy will not be pleasant.

There is the academic branch "the history of ideas", lovejoy, walter houghton etc. I am not sure whether they have any academic departments anywhere? But is an established subject.

The roots of psychology implies associationism (Alexander Bain), darwinism and then functionalism. Robert Young and Robert Richards would be revelant. They were the ones I read. Bain is extremely dull to read. Spencer would be better and very confusing, and he also has a hugely neglected social side, especially in the united states. Spencer's influence was gigantic. You will also see that defining social darwinism is impossible because it has very little to do with Darwin. And how do you weed out smith etc. It is a mess. But you can narrow it down to Spencer.

If you look at desmond and moore' s book on darwin, you will see a sort of social methodology. A hugely neglected guy is the swede Alvard Ellegård and his innovative thesis Darwin and the General Reader from the 1950s, i think. a contemporary of houghton and lovejoy. Quantitative.

But you will not find much clinical relevancy of Alexander Bain (a Mill derivate) or even psychoanalysis, the reason being that psychological terms are derivatives of various ontological problems, and that today the terms have become much more specific and they are also linked to physiology. Freud and jung were basically literary scholars studying fiction and mythology.

Social influence you say? Then fannon (post colonial), Fromm (60s radicalism) or irigaray (feminism) would be perfect? Anyway, I am babling. Best of luck!!
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I must add one piece of advice. Do not use Lovejoy or Houghton as methodological role models! If you are looking for a good role model, pick a man like Peter Bowler, who writes chrystal clear about darwin - and simple. Houghton, Lovejoy etc overwhelm you with names and just make you confused. Information overload. In terms of method Spencer is also a nightmare. Everything is a blur, but a fascinating blur. The robber barrons loved his work.
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