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What is the scope and future of RE in schools?

Hello out there,

I'm interested in your perception of RE teaching in schools, both in the UK and further afield, particularly in Europe.

To those who teach RE in schools, what are your thoughts? How has the curriculum changed over the years, and where do you feel the subject is heading? Is it in danger? Does it need a reform? How could it be enlivened?

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

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Original post by bcramer15
Hello out there,

I'm interested in your perception of RE teaching in schools, both in the UK and further afield, particularly in Europe.

To those who teach RE in schools, what are your thoughts? How has the curriculum changed over the years, and where do you feel the subject is heading? Is it in danger? Does it need a reform? How could it be enlivened?

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

Do you want the opinion of someone who was taught RE in a UK school? If so, I can add my contribution to the debate
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Original post by MindMax2000
Do you want the opinion of someone who was taught RE in a UK school? If so, I can add my contribution to the debate

Sure, be my guest 🙂
Reply 3
Original post by bcramer15
Hello out there,

I'm interested in your perception of RE teaching in schools, both in the UK and further afield, particularly in Europe.

To those who teach RE in schools, what are your thoughts? How has the curriculum changed over the years, and where do you feel the subject is heading? Is it in danger? Does it need a reform? How could it be enlivened?

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

I can't help but feel it is a joke subject. Lots of schools make their kids do RE GCSE but I can only think they do this because most students pass and therefore it makes the results look good. A bit like the old ICT GCSE.
Original post by bcramer15
Sure, be my guest 🙂

Whilst I don't particularly consider RE to be a "useful" subject (let's face it, I am not going to consult on my RE knowledge as much as I would with business, finance, science, etc. after leaving school), it is a subject that does spread awareness of a number of religions and the philosophy behind them. I mean, one way of reducing xenophobia (or unnecessary xenophobia depending on your stance) is to educate the masses (as we can see in recent events).
If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't really contribute to the discussion. If you don't understand what is going on, it really helps to educate yourself on the matter first. Dilitants are rarely appreciated and they spread unnecessary hysteria.
It's also helpful to break down cultural barriers when making friends with people of different cultures. I for one am grateful that I was able to make friends with people come from completely different religions and cultures to mine; they are great people to know and like once you break the ice. If you want to integrate into a society, you need to learn how to be part of it.
The other thing is that you can often make comparisons and think critically about your own religion and reflect on your own ideas. It's very difficult to grow if you seclude yourself and not expose yourself to other ideas and faiths, even if you're an atheist.
I also am a believer (no pun intended) that should you wish to join a religion, you should understand the religion prior to committing yourself to it. In a society of free will and free speech, it's important that you know and choose what you want to get yourself into as opposed to being indoctrinated through peer pressure, family influences, or just because it's the only thing that you know. It's also important, in my opinion, that religion should be considered in context and not something that you coerce people into following or doing just because you belong to a particular faith; it's something someone believes in, follow the principles of, and it's to be respected - not something that should be used to justify wars or heinous actions against others.
They say that religion is the source of all wars and evils in the world. I don't agree with this. Religion in more cases than not from what I have observed is often used as a justification for certain actions (and hence I consider a type of perversion of the religion) and less so as the cause. I would say the averse actions are more down to the individuals' decisions and choices than the religion that they follow. Some parts of certain religions have certain practices that go against many societies' norms and principles, but that's down to the individual to whether they should emphasise on them or not as opposed to take a strict/fundamentalist/extremist approach/interpretation. I don't think religion is something that should dictate everything in your life, but that's just me.

Having said all of the above, not once has RE been a subject that I have wanted to pursue studying after Key Stage 3, and it's definitely not a subject that I really wanted to be examined on. Yes, basic RE should be included in the education curriculum, but unless it's a subject you're passionate enough about to pursue further study in it should not be made mandatory at all after Key Stage 3. It's also not a required subject for GCSE RE, A Level RE, or even an RE related subject at degree level.
At best, it should be included as something related to social studies (or something similar regarding the awareness of various topics and issues in society, but not something that should require you be examined on). I personally don't take it seriously as a subject other than being something I should be aware of. On the other hand, more serious topics such as personal finance, literacy skills, statistics and basic numeracy, IT skills, people skills, etc. are topics that I think should be examined, would be regularly used (during and after people leave school), and take precedence over subjects like RE, history, art, and music (subjects that are nice to go into, but shouldn't be mandatory or taken seriously unless you really want a career in them); precedence on knowledge that you need for survival and thrive in society over knowledge and skills that make you more sophisticated as a person.

Just to be clear - I do have copies of various religious books on my bookshelf, but I have them on there because I am interested in knowing more about them and not because I am required to have them. Not making RE mandatory doesn't mean people won't go out of their own way to learn more about the subject outside of school.
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Original post by MindMax2000
Whilst I don't particularly consider RE to be a "useful" subject (let's face it, I am not going to consult on my RE knowledge as much as I would with business, finance, science, etc. after leaving school), it is a subject that does spread awareness of a number of religions and the philosophy behind them. I mean, one way of reducing xenophobia (or unnecessary xenophobia depending on your stance) is to educate the masses (as we can see in recent events).
If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't really contribute to the discussion. If you don't understand what is going on, it really helps to educate yourself on the matter first. Dilitants are rarely appreciated and they spread unnecessary hysteria.
It's also helpful to break down cultural barriers when making friends with people of different cultures. I for one am grateful that I was able to make friends with people come from completely different religions and cultures to mine; they are great people to know and like once you break the ice. If you want to integrate into a society, you need to learn how to be part of it.
The other thing is that you can often make comparisons and think critically about your own religion and reflect on your own ideas. It's very difficult to grow if you seclude yourself and not expose yourself to other ideas and faiths, even if you're an atheist.
I also am a believer (no pun intended) that should you wish to join a religion, you should understand the religion prior to committing yourself to it. In a society of free will and free speech, it's important that you know and choose what you want to get yourself into as opposed to being indoctrinated through peer pressure, family influences, or just because it's the only thing that you know. It's also important, in my opinion, that religion should be considered in context and not something that you coerce people into following or doing just because you belong to a particular faith; it's something someone believes in, follow the principles of, and it's to be respected - not something that should be used to justify wars or heinous actions against others.
They say that religion is the source of all wars and evils in the world. I don't agree with this. Religion in more cases than not from what I have observed is often used as a justification for certain actions (and hence I consider a type of perversion of the religion) and less so as the cause. I would say the averse actions are more down to the individuals' decisions and choices than the religion that they follow. Some parts of certain religions have certain practices that go against many societies' norms and principles, but that's down to the individual to whether they should emphasise on them or not as opposed to take a strict/fundamentalist/extremist approach/interpretation. I don't think religion is something that should dictate everything in your life, but that's just me.

Having said all of the above, not once has RE been a subject that I have wanted to pursue studying after Key Stage 3, and it's definitely not a subject that I really wanted to be examined on. Yes, basic RE should be included in the education curriculum, but unless it's a subject you're passionate enough about to pursue further study in it should not be made mandatory at all after Key Stage 3. It's also not a required subject for GCSE RE, A Level RE, or even an RE related subject at degree level.
At best, it should be included as something related to social studies (or something similar regarding the awareness of various topics and issues in society, but not something that should require you be examined on). I personally don't take it seriously as a subject other than being something I should be aware of. On the other hand, more serious topics such as personal finance, literacy skills, statistics and basic numeracy, IT skills, people skills, etc. are topics that I think should be examined, would be regularly used (during and after people leave school), and take precedence over subjects like RE, history, art, and music (subjects that are nice to go into, but shouldn't be mandatory or taken seriously unless you really want a career in them); precedence on knowledge that you need for survival and thrive in society over knowledge and skills that make you more sophisticated as a person.

Just to be clear - I do have copies of various religious books on my bookshelf, but I have them on there because I am interested in knowing more about them and not because I am required to have them. Not making RE mandatory doesn't mean people won't go out of their own way to learn more about the subject outside of school.

Thanks for your detailed thoughts on the matter! What did your RE lessons cover? Was the emphasis more on teaching the fundamenral tenets of major world religions (if so, which ones?) or more on tackling philosophical questions that these religions give rise to?
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Original post by hotpud
I can't help but feel it is a joke subject. Lots of schools make their kids do RE GCSE but I can only think they do this because most students pass and therefore it makes the results look good. A bit like the old ICT GCSE.

Thanks, you're not the only one with this view. Are you speaking from the point of view of a student who was made to study RE?
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Original post by hotpud
I can't help but feel it is a joke subject. Lots of schools make their kids do RE GCSE but I can only think they do this because most students pass and therefore it makes the results look good. A bit like the old ICT GCSE.

No, legally it has to be taught. Students tell us that if they have to have lessons then they might as well get a qualification.
Original post by bcramer15
Thanks for your detailed thoughts on the matter! What did your RE lessons cover? Was the emphasis more on teaching the fundamenral tenets of major world religions (if so, which ones?) or more on tackling philosophical questions that these religions give rise to?

Mostly the fundamental tenents of major world religions. There wasn't a lot of philosophical questions asked when you were doing it at GCSE level or lower.

Having said that. considering recent events I would say more critical thinking and philosophical questions should have been introduced into the lessons.
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Original post by MindMax2000
Mostly the fundamental tenents of major world religions. There wasn't a lot of philosophical questions asked when you were doing it at GCSE level or lower.

Having said that. considering recent events I would say more critical thinking and philosophical questions should have been introduced into the lessons.

Agree with you. How many years ago were you a GCSE student of RE?
Original post by bcramer15
Agree with you. How many years ago were you a GCSE student of RE?

I'd rather not say... not a fan of implying what my age is.

Having said that, I know that curriculums set by the Education sector don't change that much and notoriously there's a lot of politics surrounding it. Chances are, the curriculum you are on would be the same if not similar to the one that I was taught under.
When I was at school, it was mostly just teaching about the basics of different religions and then when I moved onto GCSE, we only focused on Christianity and Islam.

Not sure what it is like today, despite being a teacher myself (not RE) however, I think it is such an important subject and should be mandatory. Basic awareness of other people's beliefs and customs is required in life and I would say it is as important as other core subjects. It also helps a great deal in tackling bigotry and fearmongering of certain religions which is largely due to a lack of understanding. Considering current events such as Palestine, a basic education in RE helps students come to terms with quite a complex issue.
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Original post by Lkathryn08
When I was at school, it was mostly just teaching about the basics of different religions and then when I moved onto GCSE, we only focused on Christianity and Islam.

Not sure what it is like today, despite being a teacher myself (not RE) however, I think it is such an important subject and should be mandatory. Basic awareness of other people's beliefs and customs is required in life and I would say it is as important as other core subjects. It also helps a great deal in tackling bigotry and fearmongering of certain religions which is largely due to a lack of understanding. Considering current events such as Palestine, a basic education in RE helps students come to terms with quite a complex issue.

Thank you, I whole-heartedly agree with you. Out of curiousity, what subject do you teach? And do you get any impressions of pupils perceptions of RE, through your role as a teacher?
Reply 13
Original post by MindMax2000
I'd rather not say... not a fan of implying what my age is.

Having said that, I know that curriculums set by the Education sector don't change that much and notoriously there's a lot of politics surrounding it. Chances are, the curriculum you are on would be the same if not similar to the one that I was taught under.

Fair enough. I imagine some subjects are quite stagnant but I think RE has been through a number of reforms and is less so. There seems to be a move towards 'Worldviews and Beliefs' education rather than Religious Studies.
Original post by bcramer15
Fair enough. I imagine some subjects are quite stagnant but I think RE has been through a number of reforms and is less so. There seems to be a move towards 'Worldviews and Beliefs' education rather than Religious Studies.

Oh right, then I don't know much about the reforms.

To me, I think it very much boils down to politics, and politics puts me to sleep. If the reforms conflict with my statements above, then my arguments still stand even if they fall on deaf ears.
Original post by bcramer15
Thank you, I whole-heartedly agree with you. Out of curiousity, what subject do you teach? And do you get any impressions of pupils perceptions of RE, through your role as a teacher?

I am a maths teacher so my lessons contain little RE content but as I said, I've had questions about Palestine and inccidents with students concerning hijabs. I think it helps that the school I work in is quite culturally diverse but students do seem to have an awareness of different faiths. However, I can't say I'm too involved with any of the RE curriclum in the school or get that much exposure to it, to be honest.
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Original post by Muttley79
No, legally it has to be taught. Students tell us that if they have to have lessons then they might as well get a qualification.

Gotcha. I didn't realise there was a requirement up to 16. I thought it was only for KS3 and below. Doesn't seem to be having much impact on religious tolerance in society in general though sadly.
Original post by hotpud
Gotcha. I didn't realise there was a requirement up to 16. I thought it was only for KS3 and below. Doesn't seem to be having much impact on religious tolerance in society in general though sadly.

One hour max a week isn't going to overcome the media barage of biased 'news' or the language of racists.
Reply 18
I taught it. The SACRE-informed and local agreed curricula can be fantastic and involve a lot of philosophy. There's a lot of freedom there.

GCSE and A Level is crap. It's not examined in any worthwhile manner, is easily coached, does not allow for any actual insight, and the content is flaky and in lots of instances, flat wrong. Non-specialists write the syllabi and this is obvious to anyone with half a clue.
(edited 3 months ago)
I'm not a specialist but I have taught a fair bit of RE and share some RE classes currently.
I teach in a religious school currently, which makes a difference as pupils don't usually dare to show disdain for the subject. However, underlying the attitudes of most of the pupils I teach is this:
Original post by MindMax2000
I don't particularly consider RE to be a "useful" subject

When you look at conflict around the world, plenty of it has been (and still is) motivated by religion.
When you look at the worst the internet has to offer, a significant element of that tripe is religiously-targeted or motivated.
Understanding what those religions (at their core) stand for is important, and is useful on a very fundamental level of helping young people decide what they do and don't believe in, and decide what is important to them. Otherwise we risk far more young people (not as intelligent as yourself) being drawn into the nasty stuff. Reality is a lot of people are then educated enough to decide that the further study of RE is not something they see as important, which is the conundrum.

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