UN report claims IDF acted negligently or recklessly in Gaza

halbeth

I'll be more than happy to do so, it's been a while since I spoke to my friend about this so it would be unreasonable for me to be expected to give you detailed reports on this right now, but I assure you I shall obtain a detailed report for you.

Oh, you are using recycled second-hand information from a friend. That explains your poor arguments!

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halbeth

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coren111

Oh, you are using recycled second-hand information from a friend. That explains your poor arguments!

Where, pray tell, does your information come from?

Not just this, but from my own research into the subject.

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Axes

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halbeth

Where, pray tell, does your information come from?

I think he is refering to the difference between a valid source and 'my friend told me'.

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halbeth

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Axes

I think he is refering to the difference between a valid source and 'my friend told me'.

It's not quite that simplistic, as this is a friend relaying to me events during a visit to Palestine. He didn't come to me and say 'OMG THE IDF ARE AWFUL THEY DID THIS AND THIS AND...'

It was based upon actualy events.

He told me about his trip, the good sides and bad, which happened to include encounters with the Israeli Defence Force that were by no means positive.

Again, I'll state that there is absolutely no reason for him to be biased other than the fact that these events happened to him and were what he experienced.

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Axes

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It's not quite that simplistic, as this is a friend relaying to me events during a visit to Palestine. He didn't come to me and say 'OMG THE IDF ARE AWFUL THEY DID THIS AND THIS AND...'

It was based upon actualy events.

He told me about his trip, the good sides and bad, which happened to include encounters with the Israeli Defence Force that were by no means positive.

People don't need a reason to be biased. You have westerners who hate Islam with a passion despite not living in an environment that promotes such bias. What was the reason they visited the territories?

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bj_945

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coren111

There is no occupation in Gaza since they withdrew in 2005 and so Israel should not need to provide anything to Hamas and why should Israel treat every single ill Gazan? Talk about being ungrateful.

One of the most morally outrageous things I have yet heard you lot say.

1) They"re not asking Israel to treat them in many cases, they"re asking to be let past the Israeli tanks and guns over the border without being shot, to seek urgent medical help to save their lives. Israel denying them this right has led to many unneccessary deaths as evidenced by those sources.
2) The medical treatment is shocking in Gaza often because the Israelis have blockaded medical supplies, caused power cuts, blockaded fuel supplies etc etc
3) Hamas could not improve the medical situation even if it wanted, half the time they"re running off the generators anyway and all the equipment breaks, the Israelis cut the cord whenever they want and bombed new infrastrcutre in January
4) It"s often the Israelis who"ve ******* shot the innocent civilians in the first place.
5) Every state should offer medical help to a civilian with life-threatening injuries.

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bj_945

One of the most morally outrageous things I have yet heard you lot say.

1) They"re not asking Israel to treat them in many cases, they"re asking to be let past the Israeli tanks and guns over the border without being shot, to seek urgent medical help to save their lives. Israel denying them this right has led to many unneccessary deaths as evidenced by those sources.
2) The medical treatment is shocking in Gaza often because the Israelis have blockaded medical supplies, caused power cuts, blockaded fuel supplies etc etc
3) Hamas could not improve the medical situation even if it wanted, half the time they"re running off the generators anyway and all the equipment breaks, the Israelis cut the cord whenever they want and bombed new infrastrcutre in January
4) It"s often the Israelis who"ve ******* shot the innocent civilians in the first place.
5) Every state should offer medical help to a civilian with life-threatening injuries.

1) Exactly they have no right to cross the border into Israel for help, it is a privilege they should be grateful for.

2) Medical treatment is bad because Hamas do not fund it anywhere near as much as it should. Also Gaza strip is a very poor area common with other areas in the world who nearly all have proportionately bad healthcare. It only makes sense. This does not mean Israel should help. There is no worldwide socialism where rich countries must treat poor countries - you do it if you want and should not be forced to help countries, especially not those killing your civilians by firing rockets at them incessantly.

3) Hamas could improve healthcare but has other priorities such as planning terrorism, killing Fatah and imposing strict Sharia law on its people which it is in the process of doing.

4) It is often the case that the wounded have been shot by Israeli troops, but there is no duty to go out of your way to treat civilians, especially not in war when it could endanger the lives of your soldiers.

5) That is your opinion. In many countries in the world they will charge you when you arrive in an ambulance and will refuse to treat you at all until you prove you can pay eg USA.

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humz2

Majorest ditto ever :smile:

Seconded. Israel is, simply put, a terrorist organization, masquerading as a sovereign state/nation while carrying out some of worst acts of terrorism since the days of the spanish auto-da-fé in the 1400s, with the blessing of the world's strongest military and financial superpower.

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tanzeel

Seconded. Israel is, simply put, a terrorist organization, masquerading as a sovereign state/nation while carrying out some of worst acts of terrorism since the days of the spanish auto-da-fé in the 1400s, with the blessing of the world's strongest military and financial superpower.

Simply put you are an uneducated troll.

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coren111

Simply put you are an uneducated troll.

oh really? prove me wrong.

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ForeverIsMyName

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tanzeel

Seconded. Israel is, simply put, a terrorist organization, masquerading as a sovereign state/nation while carrying out some of worst acts of terrorism since the days of the spanish auto-da-fé in the 1400s, with the blessing of the world's strongest military and financial superpower.

Well done for demonstrating that you have absolutely no grasp of modern history. You know Pakistan has approximately 10,000 murders every year through honour killings? Or that the Congo boasts 5 million dead citizens from it's civil war? Or that there's genocide going on in Sudan right now?

Why the fixation with Israel? Why not have a look at the much worse atrocities committed by Muslims around the globe each year?

I wonder...

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ForeverIsMyName

Well done for demonstrating that you have absolutely no grasp of modern history. You know Pakistan has approximately 10,000 murders every year through honour killings? Or that the Congo boasts 5 million dead citizens from it's civil war? Or that there's genocide going on in Sudan right now?

Why the fixation with Israel? Why not have a look at the much worse atrocities committed by Muslims around the globe each year?

I wonder...

Atrocities, yes. But none even come close in magnitude to those being commited by Israel for the last 61 years, even when you take all the said atrocities as a whole.

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Ascient

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coren111

It was about 50-50. Not Israel's fault Gaza has no resources. If they renounce terror and get rid of Hamas they can maybe trade with the rest of the world instead of being dependent on Israel. You can't blame everything on Israel.

Actually, it is. You might want to consider what a blockade entails.

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tanzeel

oh really? prove me wrong.

You're not worth it. In three posts or so you have shown a shocking lack of knowledge of anything so it is not worth debating with you. Like I wouldn't discuss the economy with a brick wall.

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Ascient

Actually, it is. You might want to consider what a blockade entails.

You might want to consider why there is a blockade.

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coren111

You're not worth it. In three posts or so you have shown a shocking lack of knowledge of anything so it is not worth debating with you. Like I would't discuss the economy with a brick wall.

no. in 3 posts, i have exposed your insecurity and your lack of ability to come up with any reasonable (or even unreasonable for that matter) argument to back your ridiculous assertions. Hypocrisy, thats what it is. On the one hand everyone whining and bitching about Islamic terrorism and blowing it way out of proportion and on the other hand the same people are cheering for Israel, a sad excuse not only for humanity but even for terrorists.

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Ascient

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coren111

You might want to consider why there is a blockade.

I have, and I've still come to the conclusion that Israel's economic blockade of Gaza, punishing the people for Hamas' mistakes, is completely immoral and out of order.

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tanzeel

Atrocities, yes. But none even come close in magnitude to those being commited by Israel for the last 61 years, even when you take all the said atrocities as a whole.

Frankly not true.
You seem to have almost 0 knowledge of any history.
If we're talking about magnitude more have been ethnically cleansed in Darfur in the past 2 years than have died in the past 61 years due to the conflict on both sides by a ratio of 20:1.

But Darfur doesn't matter because Muslims are allowed to mass murder with impunity. Israel targets terrorists in self defence and it is castigated by you hypocrites.

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