What are the nonwestern developed countries?

In other threads, borismor, ypo ( a tamil sri lankans living abroad, not an Ashkenazi) among others were arguing that a mere(!) 40% of Zionists control and dominate Zionist society

Please provide a quote by them stating that Ashkenazi's controll society. Failing that, please admit to your consistant falsifications.

, it's the Ashkenazis! While I doubted those figures, I still mentioned even if they were 40% of FZE's population, they were easily the single largest group, it's quite natural they'd dominate.

Mmm, as I recall, Morrocan Jews are the single largest group. First or second, Ill check.

Reply 82

maths-enthusiast

OP

Axes

I allready did, here's the link:
www.middleeastfacts.com/weblog/israel/israels-amazing-accomplishments-in-59-years

Now, are you going to continue playing for time, or do you have a rebuttal? :P

My good lady, have you no neutral factual source? A weblog is no authentic source, nor is an overtly pro-Zionist one a reliable source considerign your site promotes 'Buy Israeli Products' and supports the establishment of the FZE using their fake and misleading interpretations of the Quran.

That is why I was hoping you could find adequate sources to support your claims, I told you I have seen these fake claims put up by Zionists way too often to care. Facts OTOH don't support those imaginations of the FZE residents.

Reply 83

http://imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2008&ey=2008&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=36&pr1.y=13&c=512%2C941%2C914%2C446%2C612%2C666%2C614%2C668%2C311%2C672%2C213%2C946%2C911%2C137%2C193%2C962%2C122%2C674%2C912%2C676%2C313%2C548%2C419%2C556%2C513%2C678%2C316%2C181%2C913%2C682%2C124%2C684%2C339%2C273%2C638%2C921%2C514%2C948%2C218%2C943%2C963%2C686%2C616%2C688%2C223%2C518%2C516%2C728%2C918%2C558%2C748%2C138%2C618%2C196%2C522%2C278%2C622%2C692%2C156%2C694%2C624%2C142%2C626%2C449%2C628%2C564%2C228%2C283%2C924%2C853%2C233%2C288%2C632%2C293%2C636%2C566%2C634%2C964%2C238%2C182%2C662%2C453%2C960%2C968%2C423%2C922%2C935%2C714%2C128%2C862%2C611%2C716%2C321%2C456%2C243%2C722%2C248%2C942%2C469%2C718%2C253%2C724%2C642%2C576%2C643%2C936%2C939%2C961%2C644%2C813%2C819%2C199%2C172%2C184%2C132%2C524%2C646%2C361%2C648%2C362%2C915%2C364%2C134%2C732%2C652%2C366%2C174%2C734%2C328%2C144%2C258%2C146%2C656%2C463%2C654%2C528%2C336%2C923%2C263%2C738%2C268%2C578%2C532%2C537%2C944%2C742%2C176%2C866%2C534%2C369%2C536%2C744%2C429%2C186%2C433%2C925%2C178%2C746%2C436%2C926%2C136%2C466%2C343%2C112%2C158%2C111%2C439%2C298%2C916%2C927%2C664%2C846%2C826%2C299%2C542%2C582%2C443%2C474%2C917%2C754%2C544%2C698&s=NGDPDPC&grp=0&a=

Axes

I allready did, here's the link:
www.middleeastfacts.com/weblog/israel/israels-amazing-accomplishments-in-59-years

Now, are you going to continue playing for time, or do you have a rebuttal? :P

Did that list originate at that website? (it doesn't appear to offer any sources)

Reply 84

olive*

12

deeznutztatseguuuud

Middlesborough.

+rep for the lol you just provided me with, in this stressful time of awful exams.

OP

double post

OP

Axes

Notice that the current aid to Israel is 100% military. Despite this, Israel's civilian sector is doing quite well, better than most western countries at the moment, despite its defence burden being 4 times as high as the UK's, having no land trade with any of its neighbors, and its population serving 3 years in the army instead of contributing to the economy.

It's funny you compare a world power (perhaps second tier) and arguably world's greatest empire of the past (i.e. the UK) with a failed entity like the FZE which relies on handouts, donations and aid of all sorts. Not only do you take military aid, you also take other forms of aid.

For example, this 'achievement' provided by you and zionists,

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

is no achievement and proves me right that NASDAQ (from USA) is where you list yourself. Zionist lobby?

Another one here.

With an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16s, Israel has the largest fleet of the aircraft outside of the US.

Ditto. Donations from USA, not that it's an 'achievement' to speak of, it's not like just because Russia doesn't use F-16s or UK has more Typhoons and so on, makes UK or Russian airforces weaker than FZE. You can't compare world powers like Russia or UK to the FZE, really.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

1.

Country GDP/capita in US$

2.

Luxembourg 113,043.98

3.

Norway 95,061.80

4.

Qatar 93,204.05

5.

Switzerland 67,384.52

6.

Denmark 62,625.57

7.

Ireland 61,809.61

8.

Iceland 55,462.16

9.

United Arab Emirates 54,606.51

10.

Sweden 52,789.61

11.

Netherlands 52,019.03

12.

Finland 51,989.38

13.

Austria 50,098.43

14.

Australia 47,400.43

15.

Belgium 47,107.83

16.

United States 46,859.06

17.

France 46,015.92

18.

Kuwait 45,920.25

19.

Canada 45,428.23

20.

Germany 44,660.41

21.

United Kingdom 43,785.34

22.

Italy 38,996.17

23.

Singapore 38,972.13

24.

Japan 38,559.11

25.

Brunei Darussalam 37,053.02

26.

Spain 35,331.49

27.

Cyprus 32,772.07

28.

Greece 32,004.61

29.

Hong Kong SAR 30,755.09

30.

New Zealand 30,049.46

31.

Israel 28,365.43

32.

Bahrain 27,247.79

33.

Slovenia 27,148.64

34.

Portugal 22,997.41

35.

Bahamas, The 22,156.04

36.

Czech Republic 21,027.48

37.

Malta 20,202.28

38.

Korea 19,504.55

39.

Saudi Arabia 19,345.26

40.

Trinidad and Tobago 19,012.47

41.

Oman 18,987.76

42.

Slovak Republic 17,630.12

43.

Estonia 17,299.05

44.

Taiwan Province of China 17,040.06

45.

Libya 16,114.72

46.

Croatia 15,628.07

47.

Hungary 15,542.27

48.

Latvia 14,997.27

And
http://imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=45&pr.y=7&sy=2008&ey=2008&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=512%2C941%2C914%2C446%2C612%2C666%2C614%2C668%2C311%2C672%2C213%2C946%2C911%2C137%2C193%2C962%2C122%2C674%2C912%2C676%2C313%2C548%2C419%2C556%2C513%2C678%2C316%2C181%2C913%2C682%2C124%2C684%2C339%2C273%2C638%2C921%2C514%2C948%2C218%2C943%2C963%2C686%2C616%2C688%2C223%2C518%2C516%2C728%2C918%2C558%2C748%2C138%2C618%2C196%2C522%2C278%2C622%2C692%2C156%2C694%2C624%2C142%2C626%2C449%2C628%2C564%2C228%2C283%2C924%2C853%2C233%2C288%2C632%2C293%2C636%2C566%2C634%2C964%2C238%2C182%2C662%2C453%2C960%2C968%2C423%2C922%2C935%2C714%2C128%2C862%2C611%2C716%2C321%2C456%2C243%2C722%2C248%2C942%2C469%2C718%2C253%2C724%2C642%2C576%2C643%2C936%2C939%2C961%2C644%2C813%2C819%2C199%2C172%2C184%2C132%2C524%2C646%2C361%2C648%2C362%2C915%2C364%2C134%2C732%2C652%2C366%2C174%2C734%2C328%2C144%2C258%2C146%2C656%2C463%2C654%2C528%2C336%2C923%2C263%2C738%2C268%2C578%2C532%2C537%2C944%2C742%2C176%2C866%2C534%2C369%2C536%2C744%2C429%2C186%2C433%2C925%2C178%2C746%2C436%2C926%2C136%2C466%2C343%2C112%2C158%2C111%2C439%2C298%2C916%2C927%2C664%2C846%2C826%2C299%2C542%2C582%2C443%2C474%2C917%2C754%2C544%2C698&s=PPPPC&grp=0&a=

1.

Country GDP/capita based on PPP $

2.

Qatar 85,867.56

3.

Luxembourg 82,306.04

4.

Norway 53,450.67

5.

Brunei Darussalam 50,116.68

6.

Singapore 51,142.33

7.

United States 46,859.06

8.

Hong Kong SAR 43,810.73

9.

Switzerland 42,783.06

10.

Ireland 42,539.02

11.

Austria 39,634.13

12.

Kuwait 39,849.67

13.

Netherlands 40,431.27

14.

Canada 39,182.85

15.

United Arab Emirates 38,830.13

16.

Australia 37,298.73

17.

Denmark 37,265.79

18.

Sweden 37,245.09

19.

Iceland 40,024.52

20.

United Kingdom 36,522.90

21.

Bahrain 34,605.15

22.

Belgium 36,235.43

23.

Finland 36,217.17

24.

Germany 35,441.91

25.

France 34,208.13

26.

Japan 34,100.07

27.

Greece 30,534.70

28.

Cyprus 29,829.87

29.

Spain 30,620.97

30.

Italy 30,580.83

31.

Slovenia 29,472.40

32.

Taiwan Province of China 30,881.48

33.

Israel 28,206.37

34.

Korea 27,646.70

35.

New Zealand 27,060.05

36.

Bahamas, The 27,394.04

37.

Oman 24,153.33

38.

Czech Republic 25,395.33

39.

Malta 23,760.47

40.

Saudi Arabia 23,833.97

41.

Slovak Republic 22,040.21

42.

Portugal 22,189.54

43.

Trinidad and Tobago 20,722.95

44.

Seychelles 21,909.70

45.

Antigua and Barbuda 19,571.57

46.

Hungary 19,499.35

47.

Barbados 19,025.91

48.

Estonia 20,259.32

49.

Croatia 18,544.86

50.

Poland 17,481.78

51.

Lithuania 18,945.88

52.

Equatorial Guinea 18,028.55

53.

Latvia 17,071.30

54.

Russia 15,921.88

55.

Libya 14,533.28

I think those imaginative claims lay exposed.

Well, Im not sure what 'people like me' would say, but you would do well to stop making personal attacks and misrepresentations of one's view's. Naturally there are countries in africa living under harsher conditions, yet there is no country in the world with a western level GDP that has thrived on the daily conditions Israel has to live with, which dwarf any benefit resulting from US military aid.

I don't recall making personal attacks here. I'd be keen to be reminded of my atrocious 'words' ITT. FZE has 'western' level GDP? With income per capita lower than the average EU or North American levels by a considerable margin, and hugely reliant on western specially Amerikan aid of all sorts, the FZE would be ecstatic if it still managed to breach the poorest western countries' standard of living or income per capita.

Reply 87

maths-enthusiast

OP

I'd be interested in debunking the tall claims made by imaginative day-dreaming Zionists about FZE's achievements (which even include the likes of having more listed companies in foreign exchanges like Nasdaq, of USA of course - who else has a stronger zionist lobby? - than all countries save USA or Canada; and having more F-16s, a USA-made plane, than all non-USA militaries. Of course, Zionist lobby at work? Donations?) provided Axes provide sources for his claims and clarifies some of those dubious statements in his propaganda piece.

Reply 88

maths-enthusiast

My good lady, have you no neutral factual source? A weblog is no authentic source, nor is an overtly pro-Zionist one a reliable source considerign your site promotes 'Buy Israeli Products' and supports the establishment of the FZE using their fake and misleading interpretations of the Quran.

That is why I was hoping you could find adequate sources to support your claims, I told you I have seen these fake claims put up by Zionists way too often to care. Facts OTOH don't support those imaginations of the FZE residents.

My claims were allready backed up by a citation which was hardly a propaganda source. If you have a problem with it, find a source which debunks it. As of now, you are simply buying for time.

Did that list originate at that website? (it doesn't appear to offer any sources)

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The website used it as a citation.

Reply 89

http://imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/...DPDPC&grp=0&a=

It's funny you compare a world power (perhaps second tier) and arguably world's greatest empire of the past (i.e. the UK) with a failed entity like the FZE which relies on handouts, donations and aid of all sorts. Not only do you take military aid, you also take other forms of aid.

The aid is purely military, and accounts for 2% of GDP. Despite that, our own military burden is 9.5% of GDP, while yours is 2.5%. The difference alone costs us far more than US military aid benefits us. In addition, the conflict prevents much of potential investment, we have no trade with any of our immidiate neighbors, tourism suffers due to the conflict and yet look where we are.

For example, this 'achievement' provided by you and zionists,
Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

is no achievement and proves me right that NASDAQ (from USA) is where you list yourself. Zionist lobby?

The 'zionist lobby' doesnt decide which company's enter Nasdaq. The reason there are so many Israeli companies there is due to the fact that Israel has the second net number of Start-up companies in the world after the US, and many of them are traded in wall-street.

Sorry dear, you should work on your reading comprehension. The GDP estimate my citation provided was from 2000, yours is from 2009. Naturally they would be different.

FZE has 'western' level GDP? With income per capita lower than the average EU or North American levels by a considerable margin

Oh really?

Comparing incomes of a median household in Israel vs. other countries.

Country Median household income (PPP)
Switzerland $55,000
California, US $54,000
United States $48,000
Canada [14] $44,000
New Zealand [15] $41,000
United Kingdom [16] $39,000
Australia[17] $38,000
Israel[18] $37,000
Ireland $35,000
Scotland, $34,000
United Kingdom[19] $34,000
West Virginia, US[20] $33,000
Hong Kong[21] $31,000
Singapore[22] $30,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

My my, higher than Scotland, the UK, Hong-Kong. Seems you are wrong again, champ. But now its time you backed up your own claims, such as:

All are derived from Western material, monetary, technical and other aid.

Go on, Im waiting.

Reply 90

maths-enthusiast

I think they failed all the time in the past. I just asked for the largest corporations from FZE, or any industry or sector of FZE, without direct (or indirect) Western aid to it, in particular Amerikan aid to it. There was none, whether you believe it or not. All are derived from Western material, monetary, technical and other aid.

Of course there was, you just ignored it.

Netafim and Teva are two examples that I already mentioned.

Bottom of page.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=894372&page=3

Reply 91

[QUOTE="Axes"]

Most western countries are not English speaking, and Israel has a majority European population.

Well, that's not strictly true.

Today about half of the Jewish population has European origins. Maybe a little more.

Reply 92

maths-enthusiast

In other threads, borismor, ypo ( a tamil sri lankans living abroad, not an Ashkenazi) among others were arguing that a mere(!) 40% of Zionists control and dominate Zionist society, it's the Ashkenazis! While I doubted those figures, I still mentioned even if they were 40% of FZE's population, they were easily the single largest group, it's quite natural they'd dominate.

Now thank you for putting things in perspective.

Either quote me on this or admit that you lied and apologize.

My figures showed that approximately half of the Jewish population is European.

Reply 93

What about the conquests of Islam? Somebody asked about that and no answer came.

Reply 94

borismor

What about the conquests of Islam? Somebody asked about that and no answer came.

That was me, and yes maths-enthusiast I would like a reply to my latest post regarding this.

Reply 95

Axes

The website used it as a citation.

I don't see the sources on that website. The person who orginally compiled that list must have used many sources - so why didn't they include them in the list?

Reply 96

Gaishan

I don't see the sources on that website. The person who orginally compiled that list must have used many sources - so why didn't they include them in the list?

Because when individuals/organizations/books cite sources, they don't tend to cite the sources of the sources. If the internet site which used it as a source is credible, that tends to be enough.

Reply 97

Axes

Because when individuals/organizations/books cite sources, they don't tend to cite the sources of the sources. If the internet site which used it as a source is credible, that tends to be enough.

So you're saying the fact that it was published on http://www.middleeastfacts.com is enough?

If I were compiling such a list I would offer the sources I used.

That website says: "Sources are not given, but will be added if requested."

I'll ask for sources and see what happens (judging from the primitive contact mechanisms I'm not that confident of a reply).

Reply 98

Gaishan

So you're saying the fact that it was published on http://www.middleeastfacts.com is enough?
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Basically yes. It's not a propaganda source. Had the guardian presented an information site, that would be enough. It wouldnt have had to give citations on its citation. That doesnt happen even in academic works.

Reply 99