U.S. White Population Will Be Minority by 2042, Government Says

Don_Scott

Poverty may explain theft but it can't explain crimes like rape.

Petty theft maybe, what about gang killings, drug trafficking, bank robberies...rapes?

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UGeNe

Don't the higher crime rates suggest a lack of morals within the African-American communities?

You can't blame everything on poverty.

You can argue that the culture of some blacks, arguably different to that of whites, perhaps is more prone to violence.. but it is scientifically baseless and insulting to argue that they are inherently (by race alone) morally inferior to whites.
An awful lot can be blamed on poverty. Not everything... but I think the reason why blacks have different crime statistics to whites in America is a mixture of socioeconomic factors (such as education, wealth, and opportunity), culture, and discrimination.

Whereas, the gist of what neo con is saying is that if it was the other way round, if whites were generally poorer, with fewer opportunities, were the ethnic minority and had all the psychological effects of being an ethnic minority, then blacks would still (somehow?) be the more violent, the more "retarded", the more uncivilised.

I don't there's anything to that other than discrimination. You only have to look at a black doctor, or lawyer, or a black person who goes to university to know that its not true. You only have to know a single black person who isn't like that to know that its not true what he is saying.

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littleshambles

Don_Scott

No, I was telling you to "go home" because I don't see why you should stay in a country you hate.

i) I don't hate England, or even Europe. I am actually extremely fond of Europe and European culture. I am just not idiotic enough to pretend that the beautiful side of European culture somehow elevates it from the extreme acts of disgusting brutality which have marred its history, and makes it any less "savage" than those of native American societies which, as has been illustrated earlier in the thread, in many cases had fairly "unsavage" social organisations.

ii) England is my home. Telling me to "go home" is by definition telling me to stay in this country. What you are saying here is based upon the assumption that my home is not in fact England, and is somewhere else, i.e. that I am a foreigner.

Do not take the world for a fool, Don.

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Don_Scott

littleshambles

ii) England is my home. Telling me to "go home" is by definition telling me to stay in this country. What you are saying here is based upon the assumption that my home is not in fact England, and is somewhere else, i.e. that I am a foreigner.

Do not take the world for a fool, Don.

I was under the impression that you were a foreigner because James said so.

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BeanofJelly

You can argue that the culture of some blacks, arguably different to that of whites, perhaps is more prone to violence.. but it is scientifically baseless and insulting to argue that they are inherently (by race alone) morally inferior to whites.
An awful lot can be blamed on poverty. Not everything... but I think the reason why blacks have different crime statistics to whites in America is a mixture of socioeconomic factors (such as education, wealth, and opportunity), culture, and discrimination.

Whereas, the gist of what neo con is saying is that if it was the other way round, if whites were generally poorer, with fewer opportunities, were the ethnic minority and had all the psychological effects of being an ethnic minority, then blacks would still (somehow?) be the more violent, the more "retarded", the more uncivilised.

I don't there's anything to that other than discrimination. You only have to look at a black doctor, or lawyer, or a black person who goes to university to know that its not true. You only have to know a single black person who isn't like that to know that its not true what he is saying.

South Africa after the Apartheid?

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Don_Scott

I was under the impression that you were a foreigner because James said so.

Sorry, that's hilarious mate.

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Telling malawi-girl (a joke dw) to go home is a low blow.

You wouldn't tell me to "go home" if I had said what she had, because I'm not mixed race. You can deny it, but you know you wouldn't say that to someone who was all white.

And just because her dad wasn't raised here doesn't mean she isn't perfectly entitled to criticise. You can criticise certain elements of your country without being obliged to leave.

EDIT: My post seems overly harsh after what you said about being under the impression she was a foreigner. Still, you should probably think about the assumptions you (and everyone - me included) can make about people based solely on their racial appearance.

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littleshambles

Don_Scott

I was under the impression that you were a foreigner because James said so.

Yes, and James said so because he looked at my profile picture and saw that my skin was brown.

Ta-da!

What possible thing about my profile pic other than the colour of my skin could tell James that I was foreign? I am forced to assume either rank ignorance or prejudice on both your parts.

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Don_Scott

I didn't know she was born here.

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Don_Scott

I didn't know she was born here.

Lynch her anyway, dude! You big softy!

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username210548

so? the native american population was at one point high now it is a minority who cares. America is CERTAINLY NOT a white nation, it is a nation based on IMMIGRATION.

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UGeNe

South Africa after the Apartheid?

That is a different situation. They were restored to a situation of power, but unfortunately many black people in South Africa are very much filled with racial hatred, because of the way they were treated (I'm not making excuses- its wrong, but that is the reason)
I make no bones about it, they're racist just as the whites before them. But don't think that if it had been the other way round, if people from Somalia or somewhere had occupied parts of Europe and insisted on a cruel and degrading apartheid, the white people wouldn't be keen on revenge once power was restored.

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littleshambles

Don_Scott

I didn't know she was born here.

To be fair, even if I wasn't, I would have hoped my facility with the native language would earn me some Brownie points at the very least. Besides, whether I was foreign or not only became an issue because of my arguments, as if me being foreign would have had any impact on them.

It was, all in all, essentially a racist ad hominem whether I was born here or not.

Anyway, as much as I would love to continue in the great TSR pastime that is racial prejudice, I have TV shows to be watching.

Laters, haters.

:cool:

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BeanofJelly

That is a different situation. They were restored to a situation of power, but unfortunately many black people in South Africa are very much filled with racial hatred, because of the way they were treated (I'm not making excuses- its wrong, but that is the reason)
I make no bones about it, they're racist just as the whites before them. But don't think that if it had been the other way round, if people from Somalia or somewhere had occupied parts of Europe and insisted on a cruel and degrading apartheid, the white people wouldn't be keen on revenge once power was restored.

Black majority is oppressing the white minority, and it's happening right now, and you still defend them?

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I may as well say because of the slave trade, whites are ethnically more inclined to enslave other races and treat them like dirt.

I don't believe that, and yet statistics on "how often given races have enslaved other races" would obviously support that argument.

Correlation does not equal causation. Humans are all by their nature dangerously prone to cruelty and selfishness, but whites and blacks demonstrate these traits in equal measure.
There have been black on black massacres, white on white massacres, people are people are people and we all have the capacity to be bad.

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