Obama needs to get real about Guantánamo

They want to establish an Islamic Caliphate over the world, because that is what the Quran preaches, one government with Shariya law.

Small areas in the west with high muslim populations are demanding shariya style courts, divorce rules e.t.c They despite the western system.

Not at all...terrorist blow up kindergardens, planes and hide weapons in hospitals to inflict maximum damage on both sides.

All Im suggesting is that instead of capturing a terrorist for a drawn out trial you just kill them right there on the battlefield.

Because you clearly dont understand what a war is, how your moral compass needs major fixing, mixed with your Liberal utopian view on the world, I feel that I can rest my case.

So you advocate terrorism to fight... terrorism? If so, what moral ground do you have to stand on?

And what do you know about war, because this is in no way a war against terrorism otherwise the whole of the westwing and the pentagon would have been convicted of it by now. This war is purely to secure US and western interests.

You are being too politcally correct in regards to this.

You still deserve Human rights if all you have done is disregarded Human Rights when handling someone who does not deserve them (Hitler, Mugabe, Saddam)

It's nothing about political correctness, mate, it's simple logic. If you claim that people who disregard human rights should have their human rights ignored, then that logic dictates that Americans should have theirs ignored.

Furthermore, the entire thing was started by America sticking their noses in the Middle East and messing about where they weren't wanted. The attacks on 9/11 weren't so much a Muslim terrorist attack for Islam, but a Muslim attack by an army who wish to see the end of American imperialism in the Middle East. This war was caused by America, so they can't pull the moral high ground here.

It's nothing about political correctness, mate, it's simple logic. If you claim that people who disregard human rights should have their human rights ignored, then that logic dictates that Americans should have theirs ignored.

Furthermore, the entire thing was started by America sticking their noses in the Middle East and messing about where they weren't wanted. The attacks on 9/11 weren't so much a Muslim terrorist attack for Islam, but a Muslim attack by an army who wish to see the end of American imperialism in the Middle East. This war was caused by America, so they can't pull the moral high ground here.

Lol that definitely wasn't my reason for not executing them all. I think they should all be tried individually and by a just military court. Some of them are chief plotters and financers, others foot soldiers who are still dangerous.

Each case needs to be heard carefully. I would definitely execute the top guys, forget hearts and minds, ever heard of justice

Foot soldiers, possible execution, depends what crimes they exactly committed, age of indoctrination, future threat e.t.c

I remember some Arabic American guy shot dead few CIA employees in the states and then went to eat at McDonalds. When he noticed that they had failed to get his number plate he fled to Pakistan then Afghanistan.

A reward of $2 million was put on his head and eventually he was captured by FBI agents who lured him into a peshawar hotel, he was then bound and blind folded and taken back "home".

The Pakistani govt said do not execute him, it will win over hearts and minds, needless to say the sentence of the court was carried out. (execution) It sent out a strong message of consequences of attacking innocent people.

He had a few banana's as a final meal I think. I don't know why I remember this case so much.

You bring up a time when an American citizen comitted a crime against other American citizens on American soil, and after being captured was tried in an American criminal court and was served the punishment asked for by American law. Not that many hearts and minds to win in this case tbh. I also note that you have stopped talking about torture.

I have explained how I feel about the issue and I feel it requires no more input from me. I am happy in this situation and the circumstances that were present, it saved innocent lives. Innocent Human Life is precious and thousands of people live on due to stress techniques being adopted.

It wasn't anything to do with your neg rep lecture on waterboarding if that is why you are feeling high and mighty.

Got any evidence to back up these claims? I'm pretty sure research has shown torture to be an inefficient and unreliable source of information. There are better means of interrogation.

Don't rest it just yet, kid!

I know what a war is mate and it's about looking after your own interests and not giving a **** about anything else. Nations have been doing it since time immemorial. Just don't think you're somehow different. Me not understand war!

Terrorists also impose their imperialism on to nations, poke their noses into nations under lies to their own to gain control of resources and keep the petrodollar world going through strategic influence on a region.

I think you're making the assumption that these terrorists are somehow morally above the other ones. Flawed assumption. The slight difference is that one side is fighting an occupation in an immoral way while the other is led by immoral people and are fighting a war for politicians.

Both = *****

Eh? I wasn't neg repped and I neg repped no one.

Got any evidence to back up these claims? I'm pretty sure research has shown torture to be an inefficient and unreliable source of information. There are better means of interrogation.

http://thehill.com/byron-york/when-waterboarding-works-2007-12-13.html

There is so much more evidence but Obama is only letting the CIA declassify things like waterboarding but not did it work e.t.c. Former VP Dick Cheney challenged Obama to ask the CIA to release the effects of waterboarding and to this day Obama has kept it suppressed, he knows it saved lives and then Obama would end up in a dubious position.

With regard to the link, why is waterboarding always justified by imaginary threats like the bombing of malls and cinemas? Islamic terrorists mostly target military and governmental institutions. Those who attack civilians are primarily domestic nutjobs (see school shootings).

Very silly statement, Osama Bin Laden specifically said that on 9/11 his aim was to destroy the largest military and economic symbols of US power. Aka the world trade centre and the pentagon. Just the way you speak of "Al Qaeda" as if they are some tightly structured radical organisation shows you do not know anything about it.

It's precisely for that very reason (many sleeper cells with different heads, different goals) that I said they need to be on alert in malls as well as military/govt buildings

Al Qaeda is pretty much destroyed now, so you can't really use that as a threat. Modern Islamic militancy is chaotic. It is composed of individuals, small unknown groups and larger better known entities that constantly form, dissolve and reform. Some involve longstanding activists, some are nothing more than a couple of hot-headed youngsters; some militants have been in Afghanistan, some have been in Bosnia or Chechnya or both, some have never left their home countries. Some have contacts with bin Laden or people close to him, others get funding or orders from other activists, some get no funding at all. Some of them share aims, others disagree. Some are prepared to co-operate to achieve common aims, others are fiercely competitive. Their views and preferred tactics differ and change. Some militants become active late in life, others at an early age. Some are genuinely committed to a jihadi struggle, others are simply caught up in things beyond their understanding. This is not a structured coherent organisation taking orders from one man.

Many words may spring to mind to describe those involved in modern Islamic terrorism. Perhaps it is time to realise that "al-Qaeda" should not be among them.


Also, scaremongering by spreading bull**** about terrorists attacking malls, is just wrong. If there were to be any attacks against malls they would be domestic. Not "sooper dooper Al Qaeda sleeper cells" . They will be a bunch of idealistic citizens who think being a terrorist is cool. Just like others think being a "gangsta" is cool. To condone the use of waterboarding (Just because it doesn't cause any long term damage doesn't mean its not inhumane torture. Calling it a "stress position" is laughable, i would like to see how much waterboarding would affect you physcologically) Is a typical over the top reaction which just makes everything worse. When is America going to learn the law of unintended consequences.