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Is Britain "Too White" As A Country??

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no its just right

its not an espresso but not full cream either.

its the lovely bit in between. MOCHA!!
Reply 21
Original post by Gnobe
There's a lot of talk recently about how diversity is necessary, but how far do we go? And how do we judge what is a good and strong/positive multiracial country?

When you look at other western countries like Canada, America, Australia, the vast majority of its immigrants are not white these days and are probably heading for a more diverse future, so much so to the point that these nations will have very different demographic look to them in 50 years time. They will have great bragging rights you could say when it comes to multiracialism and diversity than Britain or most european countries will maybe not have. You often here quotes like "Hollywood is too white" "the tories are too white" but what defines what is "too white"? So I'm wondering if people could put Britain in the same context?

Like I say people brand multiracialism as a good thing, very few want to go back to a 100% white society but how multiracial do we need to go to satisfy the vast majority of people, particularly liberals? I personally think it's completely necessary but I know many of my opponents will disagree. Are we still not multiracial enough compared to some of our western rivals?? What do you think??


PS - I'd love for you to say where you came up with these bogus statistics from, because aside from Oceana, the next highest country/area of immigrants into Australia are from the UK
Reply 22
it's not white enough
No.
Reply 24
Why would there be anything wrong if Britain was entirely white? Or Entirely black? Or entirely middle eastern, or a mix of varying proportions etc. etc.

By saying there is too great a proportion of one group of people. You are essentially saying that that group of people is less desirable than another group. That. Whether you like it or not. Is racist.
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Reply 25
too say Britain is too white is ridiculous this was historically a white country of course it's going to have a large amount of white people no one would say Africa is too black would they?
Reply 26
Define "too white".

No such thing as too white.
Original post by Historophilia
Would guess he has quite a pale complexion.


Ok, Just a weird way of putting it.

Also, I have to say I agreed with what you said earlier.
Original post by LFCdanny08
No it sounds racist to white people in my opinion. Imagine if someone said that Ghana is too black (example).


pahahaha. In my opinion Ghana has gotten too asian, and white.
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Britain is neither too white nor too black; too tall nor too short; too blonde .or too grey; too masculine nor too feminine.

We are a society of collective individuals with unique physical and psychological attributes.

Please don't brand us as anything else.
Is India too Indian?

What a strange question this thread is asking.
Reply 32
Original post by dgeorge
PS - I'd love for you to say where you came up with these bogus statistics from, because aside from Oceana, the next highest country/area of immigrants into Australia are from the UK


Bogus statistics?? Well be my guest:



These are permanent residencies to Australia.

For more detail, a 69 page publication from the Aussie government gives you this:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/immigration-update/update-2010-11.pdf

Notice also where a lot of the other countries are coming from? So when I say potential asian majority I think I know what I am talking about. Page 4 of that report should help a bit for the regional analysis. The trend is also increasing that way as India will overtake Britain within a couple of years.
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Reply 33
Yeah far too white, just take a look at this, far too white

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg
Original post by Historophilia
To be honest, this is a bizarre thread, and at the end of the day, doesn't matter, people are people and it doesn't matter if they are black, white, blue or purple.


Screenager2004
This is COMPLETELY different to asking whether an entire nations population should be a certain skin colour - skin colour should be irrelevant. It's absolutely sickening you would want to diminish a race's presence just for the sake of it.


Ok so could you both please answer me why we can't get rid of race off the census, if it is so unimportant??

I ask this question a couple of months back (with a poll), and this is what I got, about 85% of the forum disagreeing with me so I find it slightly hypocritical when people say 'race doesn't matter' but we have on a census form and people still want that to be the case.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1877978

If we want to remove race we need actually eliminate it from all government questionnaires. It should be illegal to ask about race. This is what they do in France and many european countries.
Original post by Sharpshooter
Ok so could you both please answer me why we can't get rid of race off the census, if it is so unimportant??

I ask this question a couple of months back (with a poll), and this is what I got, about 85% of the forum disagreeing with me so I find it slightly hypocritical when people say 'race doesn't matter' but we have on a census form and people still want that to be the case.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1877978

If we want to remove race we need actually eliminate it from all government questionnaires. It should be illegal to ask about race. This is what they do in France and many european countries.


I definitely agree with the principle of removing race from the census but this is why it isn't removed yet:

There is still a degree of racism existent in society. Race determines how well you do at school and how much you will earn in your lifetime.

When race truly stops mattering, then there will be no variation in race representation in any point of society.

14% of the population is non white:
If race did not matter then
14% of the prison population would be non white
14% of MPs would be non white
14% of doctors would be non white
14% of army recruits would be non white
14% of hospital patients would be non white


However they aren't. But we are monitoring it and directing resources to balance out the numbers.

The reason we monitor race in the census is so we can compare the prevalence of races compared to their ratio in the population and work towards true racial equality.
Original post by screenager2004
I definitely agree with the principle of removing race from the census but this is why it isn't removed yet:

There is still a degree of racism existent in society. Race determines how well you do at school and how much you will earn in your lifetime.

When race truly stops mattering, then there will be no variation in race representation in any point of society.

14% of the population is non white:
If race did not matter then
14% of the prison population would be non white
14% of MPs would be non white
14% of doctors would be non white
14% of army recruits would be non white
14% of hospital patients would be non white


However they aren't. But we are monitoring it and directing resources to balance out the numbers.

The reason we monitor race in the census is so we can compare the prevalence of races compared to their ratio in the population and work towards true racial equality.


I agree with this too but countries like France work well with it. I think the principal of mentioning race is central key issue we need to get rid of.

You know rightly the world is becoming mixed raced. Your country you are residing in Japan gets an awful lot of criticism from the world for not having a more diverse immigration policy and being isolationist.

Britain may have a "beige" majority at some point, as will many other western countries. But Japan will not have and this ticks some people off. I'm not so bothered but just saying.
Original post by Sharpshooter
Ok so could you both please answer me why we can't get rid of race off the census, if it is so unimportant??

I ask this question a couple of months back (with a poll), and this is what I got, about 85% of the forum disagreeing with me so I find it slightly hypocritical when people say 'race doesn't matter' but we have on a census form and people still want that to be the case.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1877978

If we want to remove race we need actually eliminate it from all government questionnaires. It should be illegal to ask about race. This is what they do in France and many european countries.


I never said that race should be taken off the census, and I never saw or voted in your poll.

I don't think race should matter at all, it's an arbitrary division of humanity based purely difference in appearance.

However, there are various reason why race should be on the census, for example, healthcare provision, different ethnic groups are more likely to suffer from particular health issues (for eg. Africans from certain parts of the continent are more likely to have Sickle Cell disease, and people from a South Asian background are more likely to suffer from heart conditions), therefore having this information gives the state more of an idea of what provisions need to be made and what resources allocated to dealing with these problems.
Original post by screenager2004
I definitely agree with the principle of removing race from the census but this is why it isn't removed yet:

There is still a degree of racism existent in society. Race determines how well you do at school and how much you will earn in your lifetime.

When race truly stops mattering, then there will be no variation in race representation in any point of society.

14% of the population is non white:
If race did not matter then
14% of the prison population would be non white
14% of MPs would be non white
14% of doctors would be non white
14% of army recruits would be non white
14% of hospital patients would be non white


However they aren't. But we are monitoring it and directing resources to balance out the numbers.

The reason we monitor race in the census is so we can compare the prevalence of races compared to their ratio in the population and work towards true racial equality.


Actually 10% of the population is non-white. The 14% figure is for those who are not White British, that other 4ish percent is White but not British.
Original post by Sharpshooter
I agree with this too but countries like France work well with it. I think the principal of mentioning race is central key issue we need to get rid of.

You know rightly the world is becoming mixed raced. Your country you are residing in Japan gets an awful lot of criticism from the world for not having a more diverse immigration policy and being isolationist.

Britain may have a "beige" majority at some point, as will many other western countries. But Japan will not have and this ticks some people off. I'm not so bothered but just saying.


There's still plenty of racism in France though. Just because the question doesn't exist on a form doesn't mean that racism is gone. If anything it's worse because the government can't monitor institutional-level racism and counteract against it.

The thing is, it's not diversity that's important - it's tolerance. It's fine to have an ethnic majority as long as the representation in society is proportionate.

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