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Original post by xXedixXx
Pictures of the Lib Dems holding that pledge still make me laugh every time.


Our party stands for faireness xXedixXx,We believe in a fair welfare and benefits system,other governments have let the welfare and benefits system get in the mess its now in.If we get elected we promise to reform the welfare and benefits system making it so only the genuine claiments who deserve benefits and welfare receive it and those who are frauding the system will be penalised
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Original post by wizardtop
Our party stands for faireness xXedixXx,We believe in a fair welfare and benefits system,other governments have let the welfare and benefits system get in the mess its now in.If we get elected we promise to reform the welfare and benefits system making it so only the genuine claiments who deserve benefits and welfare receive it and those who are frauding the system will be penalised


That's easy to say though isn't it?
Original post by JPKC
I'm not a socialist but meh. Basically, all taxation - by nature - is an invasion of personal freedom. This is true of other aspects of government such as criminal law and the police force. Total personal 'freedom' would involve no constraints being placed on individuals, as by most definitions freedom is the absence of constraint. This system would be anarchic - no party here is advocating that.

To accept the validity of government you have to accept a more complex definition of personal freedom - the state, though it invades individual liberty, also enables people to live better lives with ultimately more liberty. Violating one millionaire's personal freedom not to pay tax would allow the state to provide many more people with greater freedoms - i.e. the NHS provides greater public health which increases everyone's personal freedom by increasing the quality of their lives.

I think that the state exists to balance freedoms, and by doing that maximise them. Having a society with no taxation would increase the liberty afforded to a few, but decrease that allocated to everyone else. We all benefit from fair taxation - everyone should pay an amount of the same relative value to their personal finances.

A fine point, however do you not believe there is a happy medium?
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Original post by davidmarsh01
That's easy to say though isn't it?


Labour have not mentioned Welfare Reform.
@Lib Dems

I like your policies a lot but I feel your policy on trident to be a poison pill.


I sleep easier at night because of trident.
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Original post by Mr Dangermouse
@Lib Dems

I like your policies a lot but I feel your policy on trident to be a poison pill.


I sleep easier at night because of trident.


Trident is outdated, costs a fortune at a time when our Armed Forces are being reduced and have not got proper equipment. £83.5 Billion could be reinvested in Defence if we scrap Trident.
There has to be an International Agreement calling for the removal of all nukes, Multilateral disarmament.

I'd sleep easier when these WMDs are removed.
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@Labour


I think you have my favourite manifesto. What is your policy on trident/defence and do you believe your party is competent to govern after the previous term?
Original post by davidmarsh01
That's easy to say though isn't it?


I think davidmarsh01, that the welfare and benefits system in this country needs to be reformed.The liberal democrat party believes in this and we also think that
only those individuals who have a genuine disability/medical condition or entitlement to benefits will be given help and support.Any claiments who are found to not be entitled to benefits will be penalised.
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Original post by Morgsie
Labour have not mentioned Welfare Reform.


The Lib Dems haven't said much about it, all it totals to is "we'll reform it".

Also, do children really need to have an advocate for them? There's already people appointed to look after the best interests of the child.
Original post by Morgsie
Trident is outdated, costs a fortune at a time when our Armed Forces are being reduced and have not got proper equipment.
The most basic idea behind defense is to defend the UK population. I can think of no better way to defend our population than sea based nuclear missiles.

There has to be an International Agreement calling for the removal of all nukes, Multilateral disarmament.
I agree. Not going to happen though.

I'd sleep easier when these WMDs are removed.

We all would. But for the time being rogue states are in no hurry to give up their nuclear weapons. I'm no expert on international relations but I'm pretty sure Iran and North Korea are hardly friends of the West, Pakistan has its fair share of West haters, China wants to become the world's greatest superpower and Russia occasionally gets into scuffles with the West.


Had we not had nuclear weapons in the UK we'd have been obliterated in the 1960s, and who's to say a similar situation won't arise?
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Original post by Mr Dangermouse
@Labour


I think you have my favourite manifesto. What is your policy on trident/defence and do you believe your party is competent to govern after the previous term?


I dislike the thought of nuclear weapons, but see them as necessary currently.

I do believe we are competent to govern, we spent a period of last term with and inactive leader, which wasn't the best. I replaced him, and since then we've been significantly more active, and I feel that the VoNC called on us was pretty unfair considering we were being more active again. If it had been called earlier then fair enough, but the time it was called was when we were just getting back into activity. We can continue this on to next term, and so yes, we are competent to govern.
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Original post by davidmarsh01
The Lib Dems haven't said much about it, all it totals to is "we'll reform it".

Also, do children really need to have an advocate for them? There's already people appointed to look after the best interests of the child.


WT has explained.

JP wants to place all the decision making in the hands of experts alone, Pediatrician's, Educational Psychologists etc. Excluding the Child and Parents.

An advocate will ensure that the child understands what is going on and child's wishes are expressed
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Original post by wizardtop
I think davidmarsh01, that the welfare and benefits system in this country needs to be reformed.The liberal democrat party believes in this and we also think that
only those individuals who have a genuine disability/medical condition or entitlement to benefits will be given help and support.Any claiments who are found to not be entitled to benefits will be penalised.


Well everyone believes in only giving benefit to those who need it, that's a given. My question is how would you reform the system to make this happen?
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Original post by Morgsie
WT has expalined.

JP wants to place all the decision making in the hands of experts alone, Pediatrician's, Educational Psychologists etc. Excluding the Child and Parents.


I've replied to WT.

If that's what you're saying about him then fair enough. It's not my job to defend him, I'm just asking you to explain what you think. Why do you think a child needs an advocate when there are already people appointed to look after the best interests of the child?
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Original post by davidmarsh01
I've replied to WT.

If that's what you're saying about him then fair enough. It's not my job to defend him, I'm just asking you to explain what you think. Why do you think a child needs an advocate when there are already people appointed to look after the best interests of the child?


If you mean Social Worker's then some of them don't do their job properly.

I will go further and say that an advocate should be used in Child Abuse cases, because the child may not be taken seriously for example when the child is saying one thing and the parent is saying the complete opposite, professionals listen to the parent and the child's voice is ignored.
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Original post by Morgsie
If you mean Social Worker's then some of them don't do their job properly.


I certainly don't mean social workers :lol:

I'm not an expert on the English legal system, but in Scotland there's someone called a "curator ad letum"(who is a solicitor) who can be appointed by the court to look after the best interests of the child. There's also reports that can be commissioned by the court, where a solicitor on the reporters list can be appointed. The solicitor would then try and form an unbiased opinion of the case, interviewing all sides and anyone they feel to be suitably involved in the case to produce a report recommending what he thinks the court should do. Is this the sort of system you're after? As I said, I'm not an expert on English law, but this definitely already happens in Scotland, and may do in England. Have you researched it?
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Original post by davidmarsh01
I certainly don't mean social workers :lol:

I'm not an expert on the English legal system, but in Scotland there's someone called a "curator ad letum"(who is a solicitor) who can be appointed by the court to look after the best interests of the child. There's also reports that can be commissioned by the court, where a solicitor on the reporters list can be appointed. The solicitor would then try and form an unbiased opinion of the case, interviewing all sides and anyone they feel to be suitably involved in the case to produce a report recommending what he thinks the court should do. Is this the sort of system you're after? As I said, I'm not an expert on English law, but this definitely already happens in Scotland, and may do in England. Have you researched it?


I'm not an expert either.

CAFCASS is the organization in England, they only represent children whilst the case is in the Courts. http://www.cafcass.gov.uk/about_cafcass.aspx

This is about reporting Child Abuse and representing them until the case is in Court where CAFCASS takes over. And regarding SEN and decision making, there should be one speaking on behalf of the child.
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Original post by CyclopsRock
A load of old crap then, basically? Excellent.

Why not give people back more of their money and let them decide how it should be spent? That way it might actually reflect market demands rather than just what the government wants the market to demand because it's politically expedient?


Do you feel the markets will always make the correct decision in what is good to invest in for the good of the people, and the world in general? Companies will only invest in what's good for them, without considering the detriment to society as a whole.

Lets take for example global warming. Most distinguished scientists believe that we should try to reduce our emissions ASAP, how would this be possible without government interference if reducing emissions remained the more expensive option? Sure, companies would make a lot of profit in the cheaper, environmentally harmful business, but at the expense of global and severe climate change, which is in nobody's interest.
Mind made up. Labour.
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Original post by Morgsie
I'm not an expert either.

CAFCASS is the organization in England, they only represent children whilst the case is in the Courts. http://www.cafcass.gov.uk/about_cafcass.aspx

This is about reporting Child Abuse and representing them until the case is in Court where CAFCASS takes over. And regarding SEN and decision making, there should be one speaking on behalf of the child.


Are organisations really necessary for this? Why can't a family solicitor do the job perfectly well when appointed by the court? After all, they'll have a significantly better idea of how the courts work than some organisation because they deal with it all the time. They deal with families and children for a job, if they do a training course then I think they'd be suitable qualified in order to speak on behalf of the child.

Also, in cases of abuse, children may be severely manipulated. This can often be done by people to make the child say they've been abused when they haven't, in order to try and get at the other parent or whatever their agenda is. Should the child really have an equal voice in this considering their situation may be severely compromised?

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