Ched Evans jailed for rape

So he claims they had consensual sex, she says she doesn't remember what happened and there was no evidence of force being used, how on earth did this even get to court let alone end up with a guilty verdict?

I'm glad she's now been named on the internet, either both parties in such cases should be named or both should be given anonymity.

There's quite an obvious difference between drinking a bit and drinking so much you can't even remember what happened last night, women should take more responsibility for themselves.

I think you would know if a man raped you while you were sober, which is entirely different from getting so drunk you can't remember if you consented or not.

If a man asks to have sex with a woman and she says yes, then it's clearly the woman's fault if she decides after the sex that she didn't consent.

Got to agree with you here. It was Mcdonald & Evans' word against hers. Plus eyewitness reports of her being drunk in a kebab shop. Mcdonald and her going into a travellodge, Evans coming later and leaving via the fire exit..

How can a guilty version be reached on that?

So he claims they had consensual sex, she says she doesn't remember what happened and there was no evidence of force being used, how on earth did this even get to court let alone end up with a guilty verdict?

I'm glad she's now been named on the internet, either both parties in such cases should be named or both should be given anonymity.

So when you get really drunk and you get robbed you believe that is your own fault?

Who said she decided after? You have no idea whether she consented at the time or not. Anyone that takes advantage of someone in that state is a horrible human being and all I can say is it is a relief to have one more of them off the street in my opinion.

There are so many guys like him at uni looking for the next drunk girl to take advantage of, then bragging about it to their mates. It is disgusting.

If you get robbed whilst drunk, there is some responsibility to be taken from the victim. If said victim had not been so careless and drank responsibly, is it is fair to say the chances of them being seen as an easy target and robbed would have been significantly less.

In reality, it's the woman's word against the man's word and we all know how biased courts are towards women compared to men.

Who are you to judge? Taking advantage of other people situation isn't illegal last time I checked, and whilst I do not have that mindset I have better things to do then frown upon young lads (who at their age will have a naturally high sex-drive) who look for an easy shag.

I understand that it would be better to take precaution but why should a victim take responsibility? Everyone knows it is morally and legally wrong to steal - they simply should not do it.

Taking advantage of people's situation which breaches the law is illegal - eg stealing from a sleeping person is still stealing, raping a drunk person is still drunk, murdering a helpless infant is still murder etc.

There's a significant line between trying to find a girl who's up for it and forcing yourself on a girl who hasn't consented.

Got to agree with you here. It was Mcdonald & Evans' word against hers. Plus eyewitness reports of her being drunk in a kebab shop. Mcdonald and her going into a travellodge, Evans coming later and leaving via the fire exit..

How can a guilty version be reached on that?

Couldn't agree more.

Drunken consent is still consent.

But in the Ched Evans situation she drunkenly consented, how was Ched to know that she would recant her consent after the sex had taken place? It's like asking someone to saw your arm off and saying afterwards "No I didn't mean it".

So when you get really drunk and you get robbed you believe that is your own fault? .

No, it's not.

However, if you get drunk and start handing out free money, then it's your fault.

See the difference?

Yes, but going back to someone's room is not the same as agreeing to sex. Especially given she didn't even go back to Ched Evan's room. None of us can possibly know whether she consented or not - but the point is a lot of people have made on here was that it was her fault (even if she did say no/was entirely unconscious) for getting so drunk.

or they're misunderstanding the level of intoxication required for the consent to be invalidated...

Well I wasn't really talking about that situation since no one really knows what happened/no one can work out what happened since one got off and one didn't.

Some very interesting information has come out about the victim since she was named on twitter last night. I'm sure anyone can find the info if they search hard enough, but remember, don't name her yourself or you are breaking the law!
Definitely 100% convinced of his innocence now.