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Reply 3320
So I'm pretty much screwed then?

I'm doing a lot over the summer though.
Care home, Nursery, Helping on wards and *possibly* getting a GP placement for a week, although I'm struggling with this as well.

I'm really concerned that I'm not going to have enough/ANY work experience and that my personal statement will be thrown out because of it :frown:
Reply 3321
Original post by britash
So I'm pretty much screwed then?

I'm doing a lot over the summer though.
Care home, Nursery, Helping on wards and *possibly* getting a GP placement for a week, although I'm struggling with this as well.

I'm really concerned that I'm not going to have enough/ANY work experience and that my personal statement will be thrown out because of it :frown:



Well what you've stated could be sufficient for your personal statement. You can also write in that you have planned X amount of weeks at a placement and what you hope to gain from it. It's not the personal statement that will be the main issue though, work experience is an opportunity for you to gain more of an insight into the career and that's what they'll be more interested in asking you about at the Interview.
Reply 3322
Original post by myyrh
Well what you've stated could be sufficient for your personal statement. You can also write in that you have planned X amount of weeks at a placement and what you hope to gain from it. It's not the personal statement that will be the main issue though, work experience is an opportunity for you to gain more of an insight into the career and that's what they'll be more interested in asking you about at the Interview.


Ah right. Thank-you very much for replying.
I think my personal statement will be okay. (I'm just starting to put sections together)
As long as it doesn't rule me out completely.
What work experience have you done? :smile: x
Reply 3323
Original post by britash
So I'm pretty much screwed then?

I'm doing a lot over the summer though.
Care home, Nursery, Helping on wards and *possibly* getting a GP placement for a week, although I'm struggling with this as well.

I'm really concerned that I'm not going to have enough/ANY work experience and that my personal statement will be thrown out because of it :frown:


I am pretty much in the same situation as you. I've been looking and looking, but it is very hard to find any work experience opportunities. I've volunteered in a GP for 4 years during college but that was not in the UK, so it's not going to be extremely relevant.

I've been chasing down people all over town and in surrounding areas. All I've managed to get is a short placement at my local hospital (apparently they're really busy) and will possibly get a volunteering position at a care home.

That placement you mentioned in the first post seems really nice. Where did you manage to get that? Your local hospital?
Original post by britash
So I'm pretty much screwed then?

I'm doing a lot over the summer though.
Care home, Nursery, Helping on wards and *possibly* getting a GP placement for a week, although I'm struggling with this as well.

I'm really concerned that I'm not going to have enough/ANY work experience and that my personal statement will be thrown out because of it :frown:


Try hard for this one, since like others have said there's a real possibility of being called before Feb.. Remember it doesn't necessarily have to be a week or any particular length of time; if you can get 2 days for example atleast it's something. Medical schools understand that it can be difficult to get placements so I don't think they're likely to ask or be bothered about short length of time.
Reply 3325
Original post by britash
Ah right. Thank-you very much for replying.
I think my personal statement will be okay. (I'm just starting to put sections together)
As long as it doesn't rule me out completely.
What work experience have you done? :smile: x


It shouldn't do, just try and get as much as possible done during the summer.

-2 weeks work experience at two different GP surgeries (worked in reception wasn't allowed to shadow)
-1 week at a pharmaceutical company
-3 months volunteering at a school for disabled children
-on going volunteering in local hospital
Reply 3326
Original post by Wolfy^
I am pretty much in the same situation as you. I've been looking and looking, but it is very hard to find any work experience opportunities. I've volunteered in a GP for 4 years during college but that was not in the UK, so it's not going to be extremely relevant.

I've been chasing down people all over town and in surrounding areas. All I've managed to get is a short placement at my local hospital (apparently they're really busy) and will possibly get a volunteering position at a care home.

That placement you mentioned in the first post seems really nice. Where did you manage to get that? Your local hospital?


I spent all day on the phone and emailing about 20 different people. It's very worrying when I want to do this so much, but a simple thing like work experience is holding me back!!
I just managed to get that placement today. Only 3 going for February 2013, and I think I got the 2nd or 3rd place. I know someone who has just finished medical school who did his work experience at this certain hospital, and advised me to contact them. They didn't have anything this summer (sadly) but at least I have something for February! :smile:
It isn't really a local hospital. About 10 miles away, but I'm willing to travel *anywhere*!
Reply 3327
Original post by Someone123123
Try hard for this one, since like others have said there's a real possibility of being called before Feb.. Remember it doesn't necessarily have to be a week or any particular length of time; if you can get 2 days for example atleast it's something. Medical schools understand that it can be difficult to get placements so I don't think they're likely to ask or be bothered about short length of time.


Thank-you!
Yes, I'm definately going to push this and ring again tomorrow morning.
Just got to keep my fingers crossed something comes up!

I have had a pharmacy placement, which was interesting for 3 days. I don't know whether it would be relevant to mention this though :/

Leeds said they understood completely how difficult it was to gain work experience, they said even helping out on wards would be classed as *something*, so I'm awaiting feedback for that now :smile: x
Original post by britash
Thank-you!
Yes, I'm definately going to push this and ring again tomorrow morning.
Just got to keep my fingers crossed something comes up!

I have had a pharmacy placement, which was interesting for 3 days. I don't know whether it would be relevant to mention this though :/



Only if there's nothing better to talk about, in my opinion. But considering you've helped out on wards and been in a care home, I think they're slightly more relevant; it depends on what you think you can expand most on in your personal statement/at interview with regards to a medical career.


Leeds said they understood completely how difficult it was to gain work experience, they said even helping out on wards would be classed as *something*, so I'm awaiting feedback for that now :smile: x


Yeah.. d/w you're definitely not the only one in the country struggling with this! :smile:
This is why we sorted out this wiki page for you http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Medicine_Applicants_Stalking_Page_2012_Entry

If you have a look on there you can see when medical schools started interviewing for the last cycle.


I should say though that even if you manage this work experience before interview, you're going to have a hard time reflecting on that for your personal statement which you should ideally be starting to write about now :redface:

Interviews aren't a guarantee I'm afraid..
Reply 3330
Hey Uk students. I'm a jamaiacan medical student in my 2nd year. Studying at the University of the West Indies (UWI). I would like to do a reisdency in sport medicine after i get my degree and have a few questions i'd like to ask:

1. How a intl student from jamaica can apply for a sports medicine residency after getting his MBBS (BMBS)?

2. Is it particularly hard to get a sports medicine residnecy?

3. Is sports medicine offered at alot of universities?

4. Could i go straight into sports medicine residency or would I have to do family medicine first?

5.How much does residency cost? Do you get paid as a residence? Is it enought to get by?

6. How typically long is the sports medicine residency?

Sorry for bombarding u with these questions but I'd really like to know the answer to em going forward if possible
Reply 3331
can someone please help me too :/ :frown:
Reply 3332
Original post by eenu
can someone please help me too :/ :frown:


what's your question?
Original post by kazmere
Hey Uk students. I'm a jamaiacan medical student in my 2nd year. Studying at the University of the West Indies (UWI). I would like to do a reisdency in sport medicine after i get my degree and have a few questions i'd like to ask:

1. How a intl student from jamaica can apply for a sports medicine residency after getting his MBBS (BMBS)?

2. Is it particularly hard to get a sports medicine residnecy?

3. Is sports medicine offered at alot of universities?

4. Could i go straight into sports medicine residency or would I have to do family medicine first?

5.How much does residency cost? Do you get paid as a residence? Is it enought to get by?

6. How typically long is the sports medicine residency?

Sorry for bombarding u with these questions but I'd really like to know the answer to em going forward if possible


I'll try my best to answer these as it seems no-one else has yet. First of all, you need to understand that medical specialty training in the UK does not work in the same way as in the US/other similar countries - we don't have "interns" or "residents" and in general it takes longer both before you are allowed to specialise and in specialty training itself. Have a look at www.mmc.nhs.uk for a basic understanding.

Sports and Exercise Medicine is a relatively new subspecialty and there are only a handful of training jobs each year for it (about 10, as far as I can tell). It is not something that can be applied for straight out of medical school; if you were to work in the UK, you would need to do two years of "Foundation training" and then another two years of training in either General Medicine, Acute Care Common Stem (A&E, acute medicine and anaesthetics) or General Practice before you would be eligible to apply. If you were applying from overseas you would be expected to have a similar level of experience. This link shows you the person specification for SEM, giving you a rough idea of what would be expected. http://www.mmc.nhs.uk/pdf/PS%202012%20ST3%20Sport%20and%20Exercise%20Medicine%20FINAL.pdf

In terms of competitiveness, as I said, there are only about 10 training posts open each year. As a non-UK citizen who did not train in the UK, you would be at a big disadvantage in applying. The jobs would be based at hospitals rather than at universities, and many of them seem to only have 1 or 2 jobs at each one. As far as I can tell, specialty training is 4 years long. This might tell you a bit more. http://www.medicalcareers.nhs.uk/tools_and_resources/spotlight_on_royal_colleges/faculty_of_sport_and_exercise.aspx

You don't have to pay for specialist training - you get paid during it, and the salary is reasonable. You would have to pay for any extra training courses or exams.
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I'm not sure this comes under 'simple applicant questions', but people on here seem really helpful so I was wondering if any current medical students could give me some help. I came across a thread that mentioned that apparently 'most' consultants have a PhD, or at least most surgical consultants have a PhD, and I've spoken to a few people (who tbh don't know much about medicine) who agree.

Is this true? Surely the vast majority of medical students don't go on to do a PhD and they don't all become GPs, so what happens to those who don't do a PhD?
How hard is it to get funding, and when do medical students do a PhD - I'm hoping to go to St Andrews in September, and thats a 6 year course with an option to do an MRes after the BSc you get after 3 years (if you've had good grades), so would you do the PhD after the BSc and/or the MRes, or after clinical years, or after foundation training or even later?

Personally, spending 3ish years just doing pure science away from the clinical side of medicine seems like a really big commitment and I just can't imagine that many medical students wanting to do it - plus it's another few very expensive years that I doubt I'd be able to afford. So, are these people who tell me that I'll never become a specialist consultant without a PhD talking rubbish? I understand certain specialities are very competitive, but I didn't think a PhD was needed.
Reply 3335
Which english uni's dont focus too muhc on gcse grades? i got 3a*s and 8a s and dont want to waste an application spot on somewhere like birmingham.
Reply 3336
Original post by Equal
Which english uni's dont focus too muhc on gcse grades? i got 3a*s and 8a s and dont want to waste an application spot on somewhere like birmingham.


Why not have a read through the Medicine Wiki first. :smile:
Original post by medicinemm
I'm not sure this comes under 'simple applicant questions', but people on here seem really helpful so I was wondering if any current medical students could give me some help. I came across a thread that mentioned that apparently 'most' consultants have a PhD, or at least most surgical consultants have a PhD, and I've spoken to a few people (who tbh don't know much about medicine) who agree.

Is this true? Surely the vast majority of medical students don't go on to do a PhD and they don't all become GPs, so what happens to those who don't do a PhD?
How hard is it to get funding, and when do medical students do a PhD - I'm hoping to go to St Andrews in September, and thats a 6 year course with an option to do an MRes after the BSc you get after 3 years (if you've had good grades), so would you do the PhD after the BSc and/or the MRes, or after clinical years, or after foundation training or even later?

Personally, spending 3ish years just doing pure science away from the clinical side of medicine seems like a really big commitment and I just can't imagine that many medical students wanting to do it - plus it's another few very expensive years that I doubt I'd be able to afford. So, are these people who tell me that I'll never become a specialist consultant without a PhD talking rubbish? I understand certain specialities are very competitive, but I didn't think a PhD was needed.


I wouldn't have thought a PhD was at all needed for Consultants in any speciality.

Having a BSc/BA/MSc on the other hand does seem to be far more common, among doctors in speciality training. Although a PhD would help.

Many of the Specialities are very competitive but there are better ways of showing commitment and experience of a speciality without a PhD.
Reply 3338
Original post by Helenia
I'll try my best to answer these as it seems no-one else has yet. First of all, you need to understand that medical specialty training in the UK does not work in the same way as in the US/other similar countries - we don't have "interns" or "residents" and in general it takes longer both before you are allowed to specialise and in specialty training itself. Have a look at www.mmc.nhs.uk for a basic understanding.

Sports and Exercise Medicine is a relatively new subspecialty and there are only a handful of training jobs each year for it (about 10, as far as I can tell). It is not something that can be applied for straight out of medical school; if you were to work in the UK, you would need to do two years of "Foundation training" and then another two years of training in either General Medicine, Acute Care Common Stem (A&E, acute medicine and anaesthetics) or General Practice before you would be eligible to apply. If you were applying from overseas you would be expected to have a similar level of experience. This link shows you the person specification for SEM, giving you a rough idea of what would be expected. http://www.mmc.nhs.uk/pdf/PS%202012%20ST3%20Sport%20and%20Exercise%20Medicine%20FINAL.pdf

In terms of competitiveness, as I said, there are only about 10 training posts open each year. As a non-UK citizen who did not train in the UK, you would be at a big disadvantage in applying. The jobs would be based at hospitals rather than at universities, and many of them seem to only have 1 or 2 jobs at each one. As far as I can tell, specialty training is 4 years long. This might tell you a bit more. http://www.medicalcareers.nhs.uk/tools_and_resources/spotlight_on_royal_colleges/faculty_of_sport_and_exercise.aspx

You don't have to pay for specialist training - you get paid during it, and the salary is reasonable. You would have to pay for any extra training courses or exams.


Thanks alot man. You answered/lead to the answer of all my question. I genuinely appreciate it.
I'm just wondering if I understand the system correctly. Am i right in saying that:
- You apply to four universities through UCAS
- You either get invited to interview (if they interview) or rejected
- After interviews, you either get an offer or rejection
- Then, with offers in hand, do you choose your firm and insurance uni's?

My apologies if this has already been asked and answered.

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