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Why do we allow the Education of British kids to be compromised due to immigration?

There are many primary schools in this country whereby a significant number of kids do not speak English. It therefore stands to reason the teacher has to spend more time trying to "teach" to kids who cannot speak English.

It also stands to reason that many of these schools are located in poorer areas.

Why do we allow the above situation to destroy the education of kids in poorer areas?

Reply 1

PicardianSocialist

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Original post by billydisco

There are many primary schools in this country whereby a significant number of kids do not speak English. It therefore stands to reason the teacher has to spend more time trying to "teach" to kids who cannot speak English.

I think you mean 'where', rather than 'whereby'. Also, why did you put the word 'teach' in quotation marks? Do you mean to imply that it isn't really teaching?.

Reply 2

billydisco

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Original post by PicardianSocialist

I think you mean 'where', rather than 'whereby'. Also, why did you put the word 'teach' in quotation marks? Do you mean to imply that it isn't really teaching?.

Its not rocket science pal- if a child doesnt speak your language how can you properly teach?

So, you going to answer my original question or carry on side-stepping the issue?

Reply 3

Moosferatu

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The left want to drown the country in diversity in order to create a nature of welfare-dependent voters who will take handouts, while the right want a nation of obedient slave workers who will do all the menial jobs for next to no pay, thankful that their only other alternative was for them and their family to be tortured and executed back home.

So endeth the generalisations.

(edited 10 years ago)

Reply 4

Sheepish153

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Well, it really doesn't take children that long to pick up a language when its all that they're hearing. I would say its more of an advantage for those born in Britain as they become culturally aware at a young age and it may even help them when they go to learn a foreign language.

Reply 5

gladders

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Apparently it's not actually an issue, and could actually could be a boon.

...several studies have shown that first and second generation immigrants are, on average, better educated than the native population. This suggests that there might be things about the children of immigrants – such as having better educated parents – that can compensate for any lack of language fluency at an early age. In that case, native English speakers would not necessarily suffer from having such children as their peers.

This research analyses a census of all children in English schools – the National Pupil Database – to explore these issues. It looks at whether there is an association between the proportion of non-native English speakers in a year group and the educational attainment of native English speakers at the end of primary school – and whether it can be interpreted as a causal relationship.

Reply 6

billydisco

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Original post by Sheepish153

Well, it really doesn't take children that long to pick up a language when its all that they're hearing.

Nonsense

Original post by Sheepish153

I would say its more of an advantage for those born in Britain as they become culturally aware at a young age

Utter nonsense. Culturally aware- what are you talking about?

Original post by Sheepish153

and it may even help them when they go to learn a foreign language.

Foreign languages are not important for a good career- the majority of the business world speaks English.

So, this is how you justify the education of British kids being ruined?

Reply 7

Grim_Squeaker

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No idea mate. I'm not too clued up on the current state of education for baby goats. :cool:

(I'll get my coat)

Reply 8

Old_Simon

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I would stream all non English speakers into separate classes isolated from the mainstream until they qualify for proper teaching.

Reply 9

gladders

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Original post by billydisco

Nonsense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_acquisition_device

Utter nonsense. Culturally aware- what are you talking about?

I think he's saying that it's no bad thing to be made aware of other cultures and people. And I think that's a valid point. Because otherwise you get people making moronic statements like this:

Foreign languages are not important for a good career- the majority of the business world speaks English.

So, this is how you justify the education of British kids being ruined?

Reply 10

Sheepish153

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Original post by billydisco

Nonsense

Utter nonsense. Culturally aware- what are you talking about?

Foreign languages are not important for a good career- the majority of the business world speaks English.

So, this is how you justify the education of British kids being ruined?

...I..can't even. Goodness. I didn't know it was possible to be this ignorant.

Reply 11

Asolare

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Original post by billydisco

Foreign languages are not important for a good career- the majority of the business world speaks English.

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Not sure if troll or just stupid. Foreign languages can advance people massively in a career and in various other aspects. Yeah sure if you don't want their culture in our education system fine, but foreign languages are not a waste of time.

Heck they're not even compulsary anymore.....

I wasn't even going to comment till I saw that post.

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Reply 12

SHallowvale

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Original post by billydisco

There are many primary schools in this country whereby a significant number of kids do not speak English. It therefore stands to reason the teacher has to spend more time trying to "teach" to kids who cannot speak English.

It also stands to reason that many of these schools are located in poorer areas.

Why do we allow the above situation to destroy the education of kids in poorer areas?

''Destroy''? A bit much, don't you think? Unless you want to provide some examples whereas this kind of situation does infact completely ruin a childs education?

Reply 13

C_G

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Poe's Law? I can never decide.

Reply 14

Born_Survivor

Original post by SHallowvale

''Destroy''? A bit much, don't you think? Unless you want to provide some examples whereas this kind of situation does infact completely ruin a childs education?

Maybe destroy is too much, but would you not agree that it does not help a child's education and it may hold them back somewhat? Please surely your not that blinkered.

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Reply 15

sabre2th1

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In my school the immigrants did much better than the so-called native Brits. Not because they were of a higher intelligence but because they were much more likely to study and work hard.

Reply 16

Born_Survivor

Original post by Inexorably

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Not sure if troll or just stupid. Foreign languages can advance people massively in a career and in various other aspects. Yeah sure if you don't want their culture in our education system fine, but foreign languages are not a waste of time.

Heck they're not even compulsary anymore.....

I wasn't even going to comment till I saw that post.

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So if foreign languages are not compulsory they can't be deemed that important not to the average child they are not that's for sure. Do really think up and down the country, children who are struggling at school are secretly leaning Polish or Urdu in their spare time?

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Reply 17

Born_Survivor

Original post by sabre2th1

In my school the immigrants did much better than the so-called native Brits. Not because they were of a higher intelligence but because they were much more likely to study and work hard.

That's not what this thread is about, this thread is asking if having foreign speaking children in a class has a negative impact on an English speaking children for whatever reason.

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Reply 18

ennahaspatience

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