Computer Science at UoN or trent?
I was wondering what is the best Uni to choose for the Computer Science course.
If you're doing a computer science degree at one of the Uni's, what do you think of the course?
I've been to both Uni's for open days, but they both have good points and I'm finding it hard to choose. lol
Also, which Uni is the most gay-friendly?
Thank for your help!!
Some pros and cons would help me!!
Cheers
If you're doing a computer science degree at one of the Uni's, what do you think of the course?
I've been to both Uni's for open days, but they both have good points and I'm finding it hard to choose. lol
Also, which Uni is the most gay-friendly?
Thank for your help!!
Some pros and cons would help me!!
Cheers
(edited 13 years ago)
Nottingham is the best overall Uni (top 20), but Trent is also quite good as well (top 50). You could always firm nottingham and have Trent as an insurance.
I've got friends on both courses, I've heard nothing but complaints about the Nottingham course.
A number of Nottingham's lecturers appear to be more interested in selling their books than actually teaching, and, in my opinion, Trent has chosen a better language for teaching. Trent uses C++, Nottingham teaches Java. C++ is a better language to learn because it doesn't force you to use one type of programming. (But that's not a discussion for here).
Also, Trent offers a lot more "directed" courses than Nottingham, such as the Games Technology course, whereas UoN just offers "Computer Science and <x>".
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
A number of Nottingham's lecturers appear to be more interested in selling their books than actually teaching, and, in my opinion, Trent has chosen a better language for teaching. Trent uses C++, Nottingham teaches Java. C++ is a better language to learn because it doesn't force you to use one type of programming. (But that's not a discussion for here).
Also, Trent offers a lot more "directed" courses than Nottingham, such as the Games Technology course, whereas UoN just offers "Computer Science and <x>".
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
Original post by RoadieRich
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
Lol? That is just wrong.
http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=Computer+Science
Nottingham has very good links with industry.
Original post by RoadieRich
I've got friends on both courses, I've heard nothing but complaints about the Nottingham course.
A number of Nottingham's lecturers appear to be more interested in selling their books than actually teaching, and, in my opinion, Trent has chosen a better language for teaching. Trent uses C++, Nottingham teaches Java. C++ is a better language to learn because it doesn't force you to use one type of programming. (But that's not a discussion for here).
Also, Trent offers a lot more "directed" courses than Nottingham, such as the Games Technology course, whereas UoN just offers "Computer Science and <x>".
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
A number of Nottingham's lecturers appear to be more interested in selling their books than actually teaching, and, in my opinion, Trent has chosen a better language for teaching. Trent uses C++, Nottingham teaches Java. C++ is a better language to learn because it doesn't force you to use one type of programming. (But that's not a discussion for here).
Also, Trent offers a lot more "directed" courses than Nottingham, such as the Games Technology course, whereas UoN just offers "Computer Science and <x>".
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
Nottingham graduates are fourth in the world most sought after grads, just after Manchester and Oxbridge according to some reports.
Nottingham moved away from Java last year. And the teaching is more on the basis of how to use object orientated languages and makes it much easier to pick up new languages after. Nottingham also teaches Haskell, RobotC and Prolog in the first year as well as other languages as desired by the students and the standard low level stuff too.
The older, more traditional universities all tend to steer students towards just plain Computer Science with the point being that students can specialise within the school as they want and nobody is fixed (except few the 'with AI' or 'with Robotics' students). The newer universities offer newer courses. I don't know why it happens it just does. There's still loads of room for choosing things and the group projects in second year cause a lot of people to specialise in the areas they're given. There's a lot of industry support (and industry sponsored awards) for group projects which is fantastic for students.
Nottingham University's Computer Science has excellent employment rates (and we have regular talks about future employment and special employability skills aimed at CS students) and really good links with industry but their academic side is excellent too if you decide to go onto a phd or masters.
Both universities are really good, the city is stunning. I love Nottingham's campus and course. Yes, there's suggestions of textbooks (not much though and the books are never expensive) but after a few lectures that stops and the books really run alongside the modules anyway. It's to be expected at any university with published academics teaching the modules they wrote the book about. If anything it strengthens the course and the books are easy enough to sell to the next year down as needed.
And Nottingham's LGBT soc is supposedly awesome - I'm definitely going to go this year. I keep meaning too but I've always been a scaredy cat.
The older, more traditional universities all tend to steer students towards just plain Computer Science with the point being that students can specialise within the school as they want and nobody is fixed (except few the 'with AI' or 'with Robotics' students). The newer universities offer newer courses. I don't know why it happens it just does. There's still loads of room for choosing things and the group projects in second year cause a lot of people to specialise in the areas they're given. There's a lot of industry support (and industry sponsored awards) for group projects which is fantastic for students.
Nottingham University's Computer Science has excellent employment rates (and we have regular talks about future employment and special employability skills aimed at CS students) and really good links with industry but their academic side is excellent too if you decide to go onto a phd or masters.
Both universities are really good, the city is stunning. I love Nottingham's campus and course. Yes, there's suggestions of textbooks (not much though and the books are never expensive) but after a few lectures that stops and the books really run alongside the modules anyway. It's to be expected at any university with published academics teaching the modules they wrote the book about. If anything it strengthens the course and the books are easy enough to sell to the next year down as needed.
And Nottingham's LGBT soc is supposedly awesome - I'm definitely going to go this year. I keep meaning too but I've always been a scaredy cat.
The Computer Science courses at both Nottingham University and Trent University are accredited by the British Computer Society (BCS). At Trent University the course is also accredited by the BCS to Chartered IT Professional (CITP) status. This shows that both universities are very good at this dicipline otherwise they wouldn't be accreditated by the relevent industries.
The course at Trent University offers a placement year and according to their website they send students to work at Goldman Sachs, Siemens as well as other famous companies. As far as I know Nottingham University do not offer this opportunity but do encourage their students to take a placement during the summer between the second and final year.
The entry requirements at Nottingham University are higher (ABB) than Trent University (BBC) although both universities secure high graduate employment rates.
The course at Trent University offers a placement year and according to their website they send students to work at Goldman Sachs, Siemens as well as other famous companies. As far as I know Nottingham University do not offer this opportunity but do encourage their students to take a placement during the summer between the second and final year.
The entry requirements at Nottingham University are higher (ABB) than Trent University (BBC) although both universities secure high graduate employment rates.
(edited 12 years ago)
Original post by ultimate mashup
The Computer Science courses at both Nottingham University and Trent University are accredited by the British Computer Society (BCS). At Trent University the course is also accredited by the BCS to Chartered IT Professional (CITP) status. This shows that both universities are very good at this dicipline otherwise they wouldn't be accreditated by the relevent industries.
The course at Trent University offers a placement year and according to their website they send students to work at Goldman Sachs, Siemens as well as other famous companies. As far as I know Nottingham University do not offer this opportunity but do encourage their students to take a placement during the summer between the second and final year.
The entry requirements at Nottingham University are higher (ABB) than Trent University (BBC) although both universities secure high graduate employment rates.
The course at Trent University offers a placement year and according to their website they send students to work at Goldman Sachs, Siemens as well as other famous companies. As far as I know Nottingham University do not offer this opportunity but do encourage their students to take a placement during the summer between the second and final year.
The entry requirements at Nottingham University are higher (ABB) than Trent University (BBC) although both universities secure high graduate employment rates.
Nottingham does have the industrial placement too. If the second year marks are good enough then you're released for a year.
Original post by snoogy
Nottingham does have the industrial placement too. If the second year marks are good enough then you're released for a year.
Ah ok, on the website it just mentioned the short summer placement.
Original post by ultimate mashup
Ah ok, on the website it just mentioned the short summer placement.
I know. It's not really mentioned much externally but there's a section on our intranet where it's all explained.
I know that UoN is a "better" uni... But that's in general, that's not for computing specifically.
I don't really know which is better, but I study at Trent and love it!
You'll probably be just as happy at either
It's your decision to make, no one else can make it for you. Like you say, both unis have their pros and cons... You just need to decide which one will suit YOU better
I don't really know which is better, but I study at Trent and love it!
You'll probably be just as happy at either
It's your decision to make, no one else can make it for you. Like you say, both unis have their pros and cons... You just need to decide which one will suit YOU better 
Original post by RoadieRich
I've got friends on both courses, I've heard nothing but complaints about the Nottingham course.
A number of Nottingham's lecturers appear to be more interested in selling their books than actually teaching, and, in my opinion, Trent has chosen a better language for teaching. Trent uses C++, Nottingham teaches Java. C++ is a better language to learn because it doesn't force you to use one type of programming. (But that's not a discussion for here).
Also, Trent offers a lot more "directed" courses than Nottingham, such as the Games Technology course, whereas UoN just offers "Computer Science and <x>".
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
A number of Nottingham's lecturers appear to be more interested in selling their books than actually teaching, and, in my opinion, Trent has chosen a better language for teaching. Trent uses C++, Nottingham teaches Java. C++ is a better language to learn because it doesn't force you to use one type of programming. (But that's not a discussion for here).
Also, Trent offers a lot more "directed" courses than Nottingham, such as the Games Technology course, whereas UoN just offers "Computer Science and <x>".
Also, Trent is in the top 20 (they like to say top 11) for graduate employment. I can't find the UoN figures - which suggests it's not high enough to boast about.
So, if you're interested in staying in academia, then yes, the traditional "red brick" Nottingham Uni is the way to go. If you want a practical education, with good links to industry, and a very good chance of a job afterwards, for with Trent.
As has been stated above, Nottingham now teaches C in the first semester, followed by Java in the second semester, and moves on to C++ in second year.
With regards to staff selling their textbooks -- I know Graham Hutton recommends his textbook for the functional programming module, but its content is pretty close to that of the module, and a lot of other universities use it too. I'm not aware of any other recommended texts written by module convenors (Roland Backhouse might have done for Algorithmic Problem Solving, but as I recall he provides the relevant chapters for free on the module homepage).
Employers are often not so converned about what you've learned, so much as how good you are at learning new stuff. For this reason, more vocationally focused degrees are not necessarily better than academically focused ones.
A quick google (guardian CS league tables) puts Nottingham employment at 85%, 6 months after graduating. Trent is at 75%.
Industry links at Nottingham are pretty good too, as others have already said. A large number of people take a year in industry.
Nottingham is better than Trent in every single course that both the unis provide
Original post by Tha_Black_Shinobi
Nottingham is better than Trent in every single course that both the unis provide
lol, it's impossible to say that unless you've studied every single course at both uni's.
Original post by ultimate mashup
lol, it's impossible to say that unless you've studied every single course at both uni's.
Lol why do people on this site always come up with that weak argument. I don't have to have studies at either institution to know that Cambridge is a better university than London Met
Original post by Tha_Black_Shinobi
Lol why do people on this site always come up with that weak argument. I don't have to have studies at either institution to know that Cambridge is a better university than London Met
Beacuse its true. Just because Nottingham's a better insitution overall, doesn't mean that every course is better. To say they are is extremely subjective. You could argue that Trent offers a lot more opportunities for placement years therefore Trent is better. I'm not saying thats my view at all, I'm just saying that some individuals may see it that was especially considering this day and age where experience is much more important to employers than the university you went to.
The cambridge - London Met example is a bit extreme too. You had to choose an example that involved uni's at total opposite ends of the league table. There's like more than 100 places between them. The difference between Nottingham and Trent is a lot less extreme.
I did computer science at UoN, and I can tell you it was a fantastic course. I learned Java, C, C++ and Haskell. Of course some web scripting was involved in there too. Computer science however is not about how many languages you know. It's more about what is the best way to solve this "mathematical riddle" etc. I did mathematics aswell at UoN (Joint hons course) and thoroughly enjoyed it. I think it was totally worth while and I am now going into a PhD.
I haven't heard anything about Trent University's Computer Science though so I couldn't give you a fair comparison. But I would suggest UoN since it was a great course (IMO).
It depends entirely on the modules you do I suppose.
I haven't heard anything about Trent University's Computer Science though so I couldn't give you a fair comparison. But I would suggest UoN since it was a great course (IMO).
It depends entirely on the modules you do I suppose.
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