Meet the REAL Looters: Merkel and Sarkozy Want £13 Billion a year from UK taxpayers

Original post by AreYouDizzeeBlud_x

I meant to the extortionate rate that you get taxed in the UK :teeth:

The UK is not a particularly high tax economy much as people here like to rant about it being high tax. If you make your millions and want to go off to a tax haven like Belize etc then you can get out of paying tax but you generally need to make your fortune first, you can't go to the tax havens to get rich as there aren't many opportunities there.

Most of Europe is higher tax than the UK, and the USA is high tax as well, just ask any American especially a republican and they will tell you how the state robs every penny they have to pay for healthcare and other entitlement spending.

Switzerland often gets brought up as a good place to go for low tax however the cost of health insurance is expensive and the general cost of living is so high that it ends up eroding any advantage (and if you work for an international organisation paying you in dollars or pounds, Switzerland is a nightmare...make sure you get paid in francs)

The best place if you want low tax is the Gulf states but again you generally need to be quite well established in your career to be able to get a job over there, and also you are going to be living in an Islamic country which isn't everybody's cup of tea.

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el scampio

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This is only a proposal at the moment, but if it looks like becoming law then the point has been reached at which the UK should withdraw from the EU.

There is no way the UK, which is the financial powerhouse of Europe, should be paying for the failure of the EuroZone. It is beyond comprehension how the UK is expected to bail out the failing Euro when we're not a part of it, in fact we declined to join for exactly the kind of problems faced at the moment, yet are still bailing them out of their problem! It's sheer madness, and the insanity has to be brought to an end.

European membership is stifling the UK economy, it's bringing more and more insane legislation to bear on our economy which is stretched to near breaking point as it is.

It's time to withdraw from Europe and concentrate on our own problems, put back in place our border controls, and make Britain Great again!

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Huskaris

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Original post by yoyo462001

Should Italy have been let in? What about Spain? Or Portugal. I agree the EU should have predicted (with 100% accuracy) the future first before making big decisions like this.

The PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Irelands, Greece and Spain) did not meet the conditions for the monetary union... Funnily enough that was one of the main reasons Brown had for not bringing us in, cos he could see this coming (to some extent)... It is the one good thing I feel Brown did haha

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tehFrance

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Original post by el scampio

Please read up on the EU and Eurozone and then these proposals... the proposals are only going to be between Eurozone countries so Britain is not included in this additional tax and if it does turn into a EU wide thing then it isn't a tax to the tax payers but banks so in reality it doesn't take money from the taxpayers but the banks.

This is all to prevent another recession.

Stop spouting crap you don't understand and read a paper other than the Daily mail.

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el scampio

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Original post by tehFrance

Please read up on the EU and Eurozone and then these proposals... the proposals are only going to be between Eurozone countries so Britain is not included in this additional tax and if it does turn into a EU wide thing then it isn't a tax to the tax payers but banks so in reality it doesn't take money from the taxpayers but the banks.

This is all to prevent another recession.

Stop spouting crap you don't understand and read a paper other than the Daily mail.

The sooner we brick up the channel tunnel, the better!

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tehFrance

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Original post by el scampio

The sooner we brick up the channel tunnel, the better!

Just as I thought, you can't think of a rebuttal so you resort to stupid statements without knowing any of the facts.

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el scampio

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Original post by tehFrance

Just as I thought, you can't think of a rebuttal so you resort to stupid statements without knowing any of the facts.

You are a mind controlled drone, so we are not allowed to criticise? Go back to sleep.

The majority of people want out. In fact nobody wanted IN, in the first place. There is no difference between the EU and Hitler's plan to unite Europe, or even the USSR.

The EC is just another plan of the NWO. I suspect Cameron and Osbourne have already agreed to this and no matter what we say/do/think or feel, he'll do whatever Merkel or Sarkozy tell him to.

If you can't see that, then the programming has worked well on you.

Selling onions with a stripey jumper on will set you free!

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RyanT

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Original post by el scampio

You are a mind controlled drone, so we are not allowed to criticise? Go back to sleep.

The majority of people want out. In fact nobody wanted IN, in the first place. There is no difference between the EU and Hitler's plan to unite Europe, or even the USSR.

The EC is just another plan of the NWO. I suspect Cameron and Osbourne have already agreed to this and no matter what we say/do/think or feel, he'll do whatever Merkel or Sarkozy tell him to.

If you can't see that, then the programming has worked well on you.

Selling onions with a stripey jumper on will set you free!

Nobody wanted in? I'm afraid you're alone on that one. I know I want in and I'm English. In fact I'd rather be in a union with France than with Scotland, you forget el scampio that some of us live 5 minutes away from the channel. I have stronger ethnic links with Bretons and Normans on the north coast than I do with the Scots or NI. If you cannot make a distinction between a union where France/UK are German servants - as in Hitlers vision or one where we control more votes in the EU parliament than Germany, have twice as many represenatives at the top of the EU civil service as Germany (the EU comission) and twice the influence of Germany in the European Council (Sarkozy/Cameron v Merkel).

A lot of your statements about domination are incorrect. If there is an alienation of British influence in the union it is because we have allowed a country that has invaded France three times since the 1870s and each time kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions (ww1) frenchmen - form a closer alliance with France within the EU then we have. That is the real tragedy.

Within the EU we can resist the diabolical machinations of USA influence. The real NWO is in Washington with its global military empire and rampant capitalism. I would rather see the UK as equal partners to France/Germany/Italy than as an American slave state like we currently are.

I hope the EU can smash the international finance cabal in London, they have waged a war of economic terrorism against the British working class for far too long. By causing them to flee abroad we can retake control of our economy. No longer will the price of bread be determined by a highly speculative gamble on the LSE, instead it should be determined by economic fundamentals.

@tehFrance El Scampino cannot be expected to know better because most of the UK newspapers are in the hand of CIA agents or those idealogically allied to the USA. It warps his sense of reality and turns him into a mouth-foamy moron, see the effect that fox news has. El Scampino is just another victim.

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RyanT

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Original post by mikeyd85

I vote we tell them to **** right off. Fine if we had £13B to give away, but we bloody don't. I'm sick of the amount of BS that comes our way, through no fault of our own. The govt. needs to start thinking about it's own people first. Pricks.

Why don't you vote for UKIP then ?

:rolleyes:

What do you mean, if we have £13B to give away? It is a tax on people who can afford it. Who are these people? The global banks who make billions upon billions in profit each and every year. The idea of the tax isn't to mash up the banks but to alter their behaviour. If you find £13B a large sum for this than you do not appreciate the sheer volumes of money that are being used speculatively. If anything a £13billion tax is small time.

At the moment, the price of wheat is being determined by a global casino ran by computers executing trading algorithims. When bread gets more expensive, it isn't because there is less wheat but because these people are trying to make billions and in doing so they're making staple foods more expensive for the people who can least afford them. £13billion goes some way to deterring this kind of despicable behaviour.

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username424278

Original post by tehFrance

Congrats Daily Fail on getting the European Union confused with Eurozone.

This applies to Eurozone only from what I was watching and read... Britain won't pay a penny.

No, France and Germany are trying to extend the tax to the whole of the EU

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Xæthon

Good song.

From what I think I remember hearing, if the Eurozone was to go down then so would our economy, as, most of our exports (around 40% was it?) go to European countries, hence our economy would be damaged should they fail.

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Nightstar-27

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I don't see us giving them the money for some reason.

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tehFrance

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Original post by el scampio

You are a mind controlled drone, so we are not allowed to criticise?

Selling onions with a stripey jumper on will set you free!

You are not allowed to criticise as you have no idea what you are talking about as even if it did come to Britain (which I doubt) it only affects the... you didn't guess it, the banks not the tax payer.

Oh noes a stupid stereotype that doesn't offend me, stop reading crap and learn something you ignoramus,

Original post by RyanT

@tehFrance El Scampino cannot be expected to know better because most of the UK newspapers are in the hand of CIA agents or those idealogically allied to the USA. It warps his sense of reality and turns him into a mouth-foamy moron, see the effect that fox news has. El Scampino is just another victim.

Original post by yituool

No, France and Germany are trying to extend the tax to the whole of the EU

It is for the Eurozone, I know it has gone to the European Council which may change things around and make it European Union wide but for now it is Eurozone only.

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jimcatinnes

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Original post by el scampio

The sooner we brick up the channel tunnel, the better!

Yes tourism is the problem.

Yeah, **** off.

Original post by MapleBacon

Its a tax on financial transactions - so they're not really taking money from us directly (i.e. money which we would otherwise have). But I understand the sentiment of your post.

Rule #1 of Taxation: It's always the poor sods at the bottom who end up paying, i.e. you and me.

Reply 36

ish90an

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Original post by RyanT

What do you mean, if we have £13B to give away? It is a tax on people who can afford it. Who are these people? The global banks who make billions upon billions in profit each and every year. The idea of the tax isn't to mash up the banks but to alter their behaviour. If you find £13B a large sum for this than you do not appreciate the sheer volumes of money that are being used speculatively. If anything a £13billion tax is small time.

Most British banks are running losses(or near to it). More exposure to bad European debt? No thanks.

At the moment, the price of wheat is being determined by a global casino ran by computers executing trading algorithims. When bread gets more expensive, it isn't because there is less wheat but because these people are trying to make billions and in doing so they're making staple foods more expensive for the people who can least afford them. £13billion goes some way to deterring this kind of despicable behaviour.

You don't know a lot about finance do you? Algo trading only forms a small part of most trading and is never done for complicated derivatives, it is usually restricted to equities or fx where volumes and not margin are of key importance. Furthermore, most trading algorithms are fairly standard strategies for clients that revolve around a client's appetite for risk.
The problems of the eurozone, especially Greece and Portugal, are to do with socialist policies of excessive borrowing, massive promises made to pig-ignorant and often lazy people by populist governments and poor checks and balances in Brussels over membership. Germany has been sucked into this, having to commit taxpayer money, because they have been front-runners in this project and benefited due to the lack of manufacturing competition a common currency created but there is no need for the UK, which wanted nothing to do with the Euro anyways, to get involved in bailing out something that is insolvent and is going to force it into fiscal union with more power concentrated in Brussels and away from the British taxpayer.

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lilzoldier

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This is bascially going to render all the cuts in the public service useless since the money we are saving from public funding cuts will then be donated to this £13 billion a year scheme.