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Am i still a virgin?

Here's the situation:

Im 23 and for religious reasons i had sworn an oath of celibacy until marriage and had been doing really well.

So far i have lived a life without alcohol, without sex and have been a vegetarian my whole life and i honestly have been very content living a simple life. I dont feel the need to have a flashy cars to impress women or get frustrated if someone is making more money thanme, i dont need alcohol to enjoy myself or eat meat for satiety. Even if the food i get is bland i'm quite happy as long as its vegetarian and healthy.

Sure the temptation lust inevitably creates is there,when i go out, esp. When a woman shows interest in me. But self-discipline and ruling over your sense rather than hacing them enslave you is part of what celibacy is all about. And i deliberately stay away from what i personally think is lewd material online like pornography.

But over 1 month ago, i made one of the biggest mistakes in my life by going to amsterdam with my friends who insisted i come along, less i want to be a spoil sport, and as they are my main circle of friends at uni i didnt want to let them down.

So i went. At a bar i asked for somethng nonalcoholic and my friends gf said "dont worry il get you something special" i remember those words specifically and i trusted her. So i had the supposed "special dutch drink" it looked like coke and was very bitter with a hintof sweetness everyone else was drinking beer. After a short while i felt like i was floating and became more talkative. It definitely wasn't cannabis as ive used that before numerous times and the effect were completely different. She asked if i wanted another but it didn't feel right to me so i refused. At that point she laughed and said it eas whiskey and coke, i failed to see the funny side and neither did some ofmy friends. But what could i do at this point?

So anyway, there was a party going on at the hostel where we were staying. There were so many beautiful women, my friends very drunk by this point buggered off and i was sat talking to a woman from sweden she was really pretty wearing a low cut dress and was sat against. She asked where my gf was? I.said i dont have one, and to cut a long story short the magnetism was so strong esp when she embraced me that my mind just seemed to flip at this point she started kissing me and took me back up to her room. I still wasnt my usual self after that drink. We eventually had sex, she gave me oral then followed with protected sex. I can't explain it but i felt almost as if i was in a trance whilst this was happening.

She said she had great fun after then gave me a peck on the cheek then left. To me, It may have felt good for 5 minutes but afterwards i was filled with deep feeling of regret. And the next day i felt like crying, having forsaken something i had believed in so wholeheartedly for a few minutes of pleasure. Mentally and definitely emotionally i've never been the same ever since. I'd let my parents down. I'd let myself down. All the prayers and transmutation, my ideals and values out of the window and for what?

But recently, ive been thinking true celebacy according to some schools of thought occurs when sexual intercourse occurs when the "nadi" nerves of a man and woman combine. But with protection or oral this isnt possible. So although i may have spilled the seed once, chastity has not been violated.

So technically i am still a virgin. Do you regard someone who has never had unportected sex as a virgin?

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I really feel for you but no, you're no longer a virgin under traditional definitions. It would be tricky to convince someone otherwise but how you feel about the situation is up to you :smile: 'Spiking' someone's drink with alcohol is a horrible thing to do and probably against the law in this country :frown:
Reply 2
If we're talking about 'technically', then no you're not a virgin.

Don't be hard on yourself though, it was only once and as you say, you weren't really in control of yourself.
Nope that counts.

But here is an amusing meme to cheer you up

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Reply 4
You sly dog :wink:
Reply 5
You lost your virginity, it still counts. I guess i'm sorry for you.
Reply 6
Original post by Anonymous
true celebacy according to some schools of thought

You're clutching at straws here. You aren't a virgin by the usual understanding, but maybe you can keep unprotected sex special in your own mind.
nope, you cant take it back unfortunately but you can go back to being celibate though aka.. born again virgin style but you still wouldn't technically be a virgin
(edited 11 years ago)
You made two exactly same threads, just that one is anonymous
Reply 9
No, you're not a virgin. You had penetrative sex, and the fact that you are having sexual urges is a perfectly normal part of growing up and entering life as a man.

It absolutely infuriates me that, even in 2012, people deny themselves certain aspects of life due to religious beliefs.

Controversial but it's my opinion and I apologise if I have offended anybody.
Reply 10
Original post by printergirl
You made two exactly same threads, just that one is anonymous


Yeah. I thought this one got rejected. Never mind.
Reply 11
Original post by Anonymous
Here's the situation:

Im 23 and for religious reasons i had sworn an oath of celibacy until marriage and had been doing really well.

So far i have lived a life without alcohol, without sex and have been a vegetarian my whole life and i honestly have been very content living a simple life. I dont feel the need to have a flashy cars to impress women or get frustrated if someone is making more money thanme, i dont need alcohol to enjoy myself or eat meat for satiety. Even if the food i get is bland i'm quite happy as long as its vegetarian and healthy.

Sure the temptation lust inevitably creates is there,when i go out, esp. When a woman shows interest in me. But self-discipline and ruling over your sense rather than hacing them enslave you is part of what celibacy is all about. And i deliberately stay away from what i personally think is lewd material online like pornography.

But over 1 month ago, i made one of the biggest mistakes in my life by going to amsterdam with my friends who insisted i come along, less i want to be a spoil sport, and as they are my main circle of friends at uni i didnt want to let them down.

So i went. At a bar i asked for somethng nonalcoholic and my friends gf said "dont worry il get you something special" i remember those words specifically and i trusted her. So i had the supposed "special dutch drink" it looked like coke and was very bitter with a hintof sweetness everyone else was drinking beer. After a short while i felt like i was floating and became more talkative. It definitely wasn't cannabis as ive used that before numerous times and the effect were completely different. She asked if i wanted another but it didn't feel right to me so i refused. At that point she laughed and said it eas whiskey and coke, i failed to see the funny side and neither did some ofmy friends. But what could i do at this point?

So anyway, there was a party going on at the hostel where we were staying. There were so many beautiful women, my friends very drunk by this point buggered off and i was sat talking to a woman from sweden she was really pretty wearing a low cut dress and was sat against. She asked where my gf was? I.said i dont have one, and to cut a long story short the magnetism was so strong esp when she embraced me that my mind just seemed to flip at this point she started kissing me and took me back up to her room. I still wasnt my usual self after that drink. We eventually had sex, she gave me oral then followed with protected sex. I can't explain it but i felt almost as if i was in a trance whilst this was happening.

She said she had great fun after then gave me a peck on the cheek then left. To me, It may have felt good for 5 minutes but afterwards i was filled with deep feeling of regret. And the next day i felt like crying, having forsaken something i had believed in so wholeheartedly for a few minutes of pleasure. Mentally and definitely emotionally i've never been the same ever since. I'd let my parents down. I'd let myself down. All the prayers and transmutation, my ideals and values out of the window and for what?

But recently, ive been thinking true celebacy according to some schools of thought occurs when sexual intercourse occurs when the "nadi" nerves of a man and woman combine. But with protection or oral this isnt possible. So although i may have spilled the seed once, chastity has not been violated.

So technically i am still a virgin. Do you regard someone who has never had unportected sex as a virgin?


Man, most people would be ecstatic about that. Don't worry though, anyone would forgive you so you should forgive urself.
Congratulations you put dogmatic nonsense aside and have become a normal human being. Don't let a book run your life, don't feel guilty feel free and happy. I'd hate to have this constant feeling of guilt, the feeling that I've being watched all the time, that all my actions are being judged. The thought of it makes sick, something you've lived with your whole life. Cherish that moment and pray (pun intended) more is to follow.
Reply 13
Original post by EonBlueApocalypse
Congratulations you put dogmatic nonsense aside and have become a normal human being.



If i could give you more rep and shake your hand, I would.
Reply 14
It's okay as long as nobody knows.
Amigo, just know that this has changed nothing with respect to how you should feel with respect to your soul. What happens to your body may happen, but it can't get within an inch of your soul if you don't want it to

in other words, even the prodigal son was welcomed home by his father with open arms. Just move on and learn from this experience, and be stronger as a result~
Reply 16
GOD there are so many people who wants to break their "virgin" certificate..some even lie that they are not virgin even when they ARE..on the other hand, you just shagged a bird and you wanna consider yourself a virgin?? O.O What the **** is happening to this world??
PS: God gave you penis to have sex, they created animals for us to enjoy....i don't get why on earth are you so attached to this religious thing.... Seriously, i will never understand some people....You only have one life, enjoy it in your limit and live long and happy life man.....
Reply 17
Original post by Silverland
Just move on and learn from this experience, and be stronger as a result~


Thanks for the kind words brother. Whats done is done, cant turn back the clock but can only learn from my mistakes.
Reply 18
This is some bull****. I spend an equal amount of time actively TRYING to have sex with a girl and fail totally and yet you spend your entire life trying not to and somehow fail and end up having sex ffs.
It pisses me off when people are obsessed whether they're a virgin or not. I know that alcohol can have an effect on your mind but that's life. Some people lost their virginity from their f*ck buddies and continue to have sex. It's okay to have sex when you aren't in a relationship. You can still have sex and still keep your morals. There's nothing wrong with it. Have fun.

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