Are university students more selfish today?
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Original post by fallen_acorns
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Lot of women from higher class families had an education over peasant men who worked the farms and mines who could not even read!
This idea women where totally shut out is misleading.
People were shut out due to their class!
You can not go to university to become a genius! You are born with it.
There is scientific reasons which back the idea there are more male genius than female genius. Go read about the bell curve.
Even today the education system is bent backwards to suit how girls learn and neglect boys and now 60% of universities are girls. but still if you look at university students the best students who come out with great ideas and inventions tend to be male students.
Men have evolved to to be rebellious thinkers, think outside the box, push boundaries and take risks.
Leave your political correctness behind if you want to debate with me.
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Original post by ssxx
Men have evolved to to be rebellious thinkers, think outside the box, push boundaries and take risks.
or
Men have benefited from centuries of positive socialisation be rebellious thinkers, think outside the box, push boundaries and take risks.
Men have evolved to to be rebellious thinkers, think outside the box, push boundaries and take risks.
or
Men have benefited from centuries of positive socialisation be rebellious thinkers, think outside the box, push boundaries and take risks.
The difference between your statement and mine, may seem subtle - but has huge implications to today society..
with our opinions differing on the above we will never agree, so there is little more to do here
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Original post by ssxx
NOT all men get high paid jobs. women graduates have better prospects than male graduates, and you say you are oppressed?
As for the minorty of men who get high paid jobs, has it ever occurred to you that there are more male genius than female genius? Men invent everything today and set up all the best businesses.
Why was facebook not created by a woman? is it due to sexism or is it men are better at creating and inventing and building things from nothing compared to women.
As for the minorty of men who get high paid jobs, has it ever occurred to you that there are more male genius than female genius? Men invent everything today and set up all the best businesses.
Why was facebook not created by a woman? is it due to sexism or is it men are better at creating and inventing and building things from nothing compared to women.
Obviously not all men get high paid jobs, that would be totally ludicrous. But more men get higher paid, more prestigious jobs than women even though more women graduate from university.
And as for "has it ever occurred to you that there are more male genius than female genius?" - as other users have stated, for years women have been told that they can't work, can't get an education whereas men have been able to and have been encouraged rather than oppressed. And no, this doesn't happen as often these days, but it's people like yourself who are still oppressing women by saying they are incapable of doing things men can do.
I wouldn't expect anything less from someone with male privilege, though, as it's not something you can relate to. You may want to educate yourself on sexism and feminism before you make sweeping statements online about these matters.
Original post by b3ff
Obviously not all men get high paid jobs, that would be totally ludicrous. But more men get higher paid, more prestigious jobs than women even though more women graduate from university.
And as for "has it ever occurred to you that there are more male genius than female genius?" - as other users have stated, for years women have been told that they can't work, can't get an education whereas men have been able to and have been encouraged rather than oppressed. And no, this doesn't happen as often these days, but it's people like yourself who are still oppressing women by saying they are incapable of doing things men can do.
I wouldn't expect anything less from someone with male privilege, though, as it's not something you can relate to. You may want to educate yourself on sexism and feminism before you make sweeping statements online about these matters.
And as for "has it ever occurred to you that there are more male genius than female genius?" - as other users have stated, for years women have been told that they can't work, can't get an education whereas men have been able to and have been encouraged rather than oppressed. And no, this doesn't happen as often these days, but it's people like yourself who are still oppressing women by saying they are incapable of doing things men can do.
I wouldn't expect anything less from someone with male privilege, though, as it's not something you can relate to. You may want to educate yourself on sexism and feminism before you make sweeping statements online about these matters.
The poster you're quoting is an idiot however I wouldn't say his views are representative of what most men now think. I'm not for a minute going to say that men are heavily oppressed as a gender however the pendulum has swung considerably the other way in certain walks of life. For instance-male victims of domestic abuse are far less likely to be believed or taken seriously on the basis of assumptions that he is 'less of a man' for being beaten up by a woman.
I am in favour of egalitarianism as far as can practically be applied and it should be accepted that each gender is generally more effective at certain things than the other. For example on average more men will think logically rather than creatively however this doesn't preclude women from excelling at science nor does it preclude men from being amazing artists.
I therefore don't see why we need things like employment quotas when that demeans the whole point of a meritocracy. Ban discrimination purely on gender yes but don't pretend that men and women are identical.
Original post by ssxx
Boo hoo hoo poor you.
The fact is the youth of today has lost work ethics. You all want something for nothing. The me me me culture.
They spent the money on you!!!! Do you have any idea how much the social security bill has expanded?
Trying to push 50% of people to university is the biggest mistake!
I am done with you now.
The fact is the youth of today has lost work ethics. You all want something for nothing. The me me me culture.
They spent the money on you!!!! Do you have any idea how much the social security bill has expanded?
Trying to push 50% of people to university is the biggest mistake!
I am done with you now.
Maybe op is trying to get as many red gems as he can?
Seriously going onto the 'student' room and basically telling us we are all a bunch of spoilt brats. People dont change society does. I always laughwhen people say thing like this generation is smarter or 'back in the old days', species dont change on a per generation level, society does. If you really must bitch dont blame the students blame the society they grew up in, though i think itisvastly improved from the society of the past. What atroll
Original post by ssxx
Lot of women from higher class families had an education over peasant men who worked the farms and mines who could not even read!
This idea women where totally shut out is misleading.
People were shut out due to their class!
You can not go to university to become a genius! You are born with it.
There is scientific reasons which back the idea there are more male genius than female genius. Go read about the bell curve.
Even today the education system is bent backwards to suit how girls learn and neglect boys and now 60% of universities are girls. but still if you look at university students the best students who come out with great ideas and inventions tend to be male students.
Men have evolved to to be rebellious thinkers, think outside the box, push boundaries and take risks.
Leave your political correctness behind if you want to debate with me.
This idea women where totally shut out is misleading.
People were shut out due to their class!
You can not go to university to become a genius! You are born with it.
There is scientific reasons which back the idea there are more male genius than female genius. Go read about the bell curve.
Even today the education system is bent backwards to suit how girls learn and neglect boys and now 60% of universities are girls. but still if you look at university students the best students who come out with great ideas and inventions tend to be male students.
Men have evolved to to be rebellious thinkers, think outside the box, push boundaries and take risks.
Leave your political correctness behind if you want to debate with me.
Yap definitely a troll/someone too ignorant to bother with
Original post by ssxx
I am a mature student so I lived many more years compared to the average university student and I notice a few trends in the students of today.
Ok, I am not that old, and I was not born in the 1960s but I notice around the world and in the UK, students from 1960s onwards were less selfish and more concerned about the injustice faced by other humans. Many anti war protests ect.
But I notice today's university students are selfish and petty minded. Maybe because all sorts could go to university now, so you see a wide range of people rather than the idealist intellectuals who went in the 1960s when exams were harder.
Maybe people in the 1960s did not pay for their education compared to now, but then again, no one is asking for students to pay any fee upfront, plus the standard of living is far greater now than the 1960s. And more students are given the opportunity to go to university, so these students should be grateful.
I notice there is always lots of feminist campaigns on campus over petty issues as if they are still oppressed in the UK. When in fact it is males who are the minority at university. Lot of these feminist just trying to make a name for themselves and campaign to get rid of lads mags on campus rather than campaign to save 3000 kids who die of malaria each year.
I see so many students demanding so much from universities and yet do very little to give anything back. Students with their iphones made in factories that treat workers like slaves and getting drunk 4 times a week than expect to walk into a job when they leave.
Student politics is embarrassing and many just want to take part in some petty issues so they can put in their CV rather then a greater desire to help change the world.
Many students in the past did not care about clothes but the students of today are so brand obsessed, They use brand as a way to gain and build social status and the girls who cannot afford the clothes do escorting to buy designer clothes and drink in posh bars in London.
I know a number of students who do escorting on the side. It is sicking how humans are willing to lose their soul to gain a bit luxury.
These are my observations.
Ok, I am not that old, and I was not born in the 1960s but I notice around the world and in the UK, students from 1960s onwards were less selfish and more concerned about the injustice faced by other humans. Many anti war protests ect.
But I notice today's university students are selfish and petty minded. Maybe because all sorts could go to university now, so you see a wide range of people rather than the idealist intellectuals who went in the 1960s when exams were harder.
Maybe people in the 1960s did not pay for their education compared to now, but then again, no one is asking for students to pay any fee upfront, plus the standard of living is far greater now than the 1960s. And more students are given the opportunity to go to university, so these students should be grateful.
I notice there is always lots of feminist campaigns on campus over petty issues as if they are still oppressed in the UK. When in fact it is males who are the minority at university. Lot of these feminist just trying to make a name for themselves and campaign to get rid of lads mags on campus rather than campaign to save 3000 kids who die of malaria each year.
I see so many students demanding so much from universities and yet do very little to give anything back. Students with their iphones made in factories that treat workers like slaves and getting drunk 4 times a week than expect to walk into a job when they leave.
Student politics is embarrassing and many just want to take part in some petty issues so they can put in their CV rather then a greater desire to help change the world.
Many students in the past did not care about clothes but the students of today are so brand obsessed, They use brand as a way to gain and build social status and the girls who cannot afford the clothes do escorting to buy designer clothes and drink in posh bars in London.
I know a number of students who do escorting on the side. It is sicking how humans are willing to lose their soul to gain a bit luxury.
These are my observations.
I'm a student (20) and in many ways can understand your point of view. In my opinion, for many students university seems to be about "the experience" rather than the education.
I only ever considered doing a degree because I couldn't see an interesting life for myself outside academia. Throughout my frustrating college years/last year of school, I was promised this land on like-minded people...only to arrive at uni and find...well, what you find there.
Something I see often that links to what you said about being demanding, is students who, even after 18 months of doing their degree, constantly complain that their lecturer covers things too quickly, or doesn't respond in detail to questions that can easily be answered by opening a textbook. I mean, occasionally you get the odd crap lecturer, but so many people fail to grasp the concept of looking things up for themselves! And don't even get me started on 'further reading' - even in my first week I was stumped by a coursemate asking me what I was reading, followed by "Why? That isn't on the reading list, you know."
Original post by Midlander
The poster you're quoting is an idiot however I wouldn't say his views are representative of what most men now think. I'm not for a minute going to say that men are heavily oppressed as a gender however the pendulum has swung considerably the other way in certain walks of life. For instance-male victims of domestic abuse are far less likely to be believed or taken seriously on the basis of assumptions that he is 'less of a man' for being beaten up by a woman.
I am in favour of egalitarianism as far as can practically be applied and it should be accepted that each gender is generally more effective at certain things than the other. For example on average more men will think logically rather than creatively however this doesn't preclude women from excelling at science nor does it preclude men from being amazing artists.
I therefore don't see why we need things like employment quotas when that demeans the whole point of a meritocracy. Ban discrimination purely on gender yes but don't pretend that men and women are identical.
I am in favour of egalitarianism as far as can practically be applied and it should be accepted that each gender is generally more effective at certain things than the other. For example on average more men will think logically rather than creatively however this doesn't preclude women from excelling at science nor does it preclude men from being amazing artists.
I therefore don't see why we need things like employment quotas when that demeans the whole point of a meritocracy. Ban discrimination purely on gender yes but don't pretend that men and women are identical.
Yeah, like I posted previously, feminism is about equality to all men, women, trans*, not just power to women, for example if a man wants to wear lipstick he should be able to without being labelled or judged.
Original post by b3ff
Yeah, like I posted previously, feminism is about equality to all men, women, trans*, not just power to women, for example if a man wants to wear lipstick he should be able to without being labelled or judged.
That message can get muddled though when you have the more radical feminists wanting more than equality and talk about a worldwide male conspiracy against women or a need to subjugate men in the same way. It doesn't do the cause any favours.
Oh no. Another anti-feminist thread posing as general dismay about the state of students today.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Oh no. Another anti-feminist thread posing as general dismay about the state of students today.
Oh, I am sorry that we are not all irrational fools who think women are always oppressed and men always have it all good.
Original post by b3ff
Obviously not all men get high paid jobs, that would be totally ludicrous. But more men get higher paid, more prestigious jobs than women even though more women graduate from university.
And as for "has it ever occurred to you that there are more male genius than female genius?" - as other users have stated, for years women have been told that they can't work, can't get an education whereas men have been able to and have been encouraged rather than oppressed. And no, this doesn't happen as often these days, but it's people like yourself who are still oppressing women by saying they are incapable of doing things men can do.
I wouldn't expect anything less from someone with male privilege, though, as it's not something you can relate to. You may want to educate yourself on sexism and feminism before you make sweeping statements online about these matters.
And as for "has it ever occurred to you that there are more male genius than female genius?" - as other users have stated, for years women have been told that they can't work, can't get an education whereas men have been able to and have been encouraged rather than oppressed. And no, this doesn't happen as often these days, but it's people like yourself who are still oppressing women by saying they are incapable of doing things men can do.
I wouldn't expect anything less from someone with male privilege, though, as it's not something you can relate to. You may want to educate yourself on sexism and feminism before you make sweeping statements online about these matters.
More women do not do the hard degrees!, More men do maths, physics, engineering, software engineering ect. You expect women to be given the high paid jobs because they did English or Socially degrees?
Male privilege? So a working class man has privilege over a upper middle class woman who gets to go to private school and couch all the way into university?
You keeping going on about how women are oppressed and get the law to bend over backwards to give you special privilege which as a result oppressed men's basics rights, in education, family courts, heath ect.
You are so sexist, that you believe women are always the victims, this is the mentally that I detest the most.
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Original post by ssxx
These are my observations.
These are my observations.
Nice post! I actually agree with some of your observations but not all students are like this! I'm definitely not! Lol but I think it's because of my personality and the way I was brought up! I work my ass off in order to get what I need and want.
I can see where you're coming from about the education because the UK's education system is one of the best in the world so I'd rather pay £9000 a year to go to a uni in the UK than anywhere else because its recognised and accepted in most countries!
However, I find the exams now VERY HARD but maybe it's because I wasn't spoon fed information (we just had to read textbooks and research)
I also have to agree with you on the drunk thing as I don't why students find the need to brag about being drunk at a freshers party or even missing an exam :/ I hate drinking ( I guess it's because I'm starting uni later)
The demand for branded things is very high but it's due to social media and how ppl see things lol eg a teen girl might think 'oh she's popular on Instagram because she's wearing hollister... So I'm gonna do that to'
Does anyone remember the dude that was stabbed to death outside of JD sports in oxford street... because of Nike trainers? Basically if you don't wear brands you're cheap :/ (I think that's stupid)As for the student politics I don't really know much about that as I tend to steer away from the business :P
Feminists campaigning on campus? Hmm I didn't know that happened....
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Original post by ssxx
More women do not do the hard degrees!, More men do maths, physics, engineering, software engineering ect. You expect women to be given the high paid jobs because they did English or Socially degrees?
Male privilege? So a working class man has privilege over a upper middle class woman who gets to go to private school and couch all the way into university?
You keeping going on about how women are oppressed and get the law to bend over backwards to give you special privilege which as a result oppressed men's basics rights, in education, family courts, heath ect.
You are so sexist, that you believe women are always the victims, this is the mentally that I detest the most.
Male privilege? So a working class man has privilege over a upper middle class woman who gets to go to private school and couch all the way into university?
You keeping going on about how women are oppressed and get the law to bend over backwards to give you special privilege which as a result oppressed men's basics rights, in education, family courts, heath ect.
You are so sexist, that you believe women are always the victims, this is the mentally that I detest the most.
I am not sexist. I hate sexists. I have equal respect for both men and women and I do not think one gender is better than the other. Maybe if you read my previous post you'd see that feminism is about equality and not power to women. Men are victims of patriarchy too. Why can't men be househusbands without being labelled as feminine or lazy? Why is it more difficult for men to get to see their children when parents get a divorce? Why can't a straight man wear makeup without being classed as less of a man? These are all issues that feminists care about!
And yes, a working class man has privilege over a middle class woman. Not in a wealth or money sense, clearly, but in the way that people view and respect them. I'll use rape culture as an example. Society give out the message "don't be raped" rather than "don't rape". Again, I am aware that men get raped and women can rape, but the majority of rapes are men on women. If a woman gets raped, the first thing people will ask is "What was she wearing?" as if she wanted it to happen, as if the clothes she was wearing was an invitation.
If you look in to it and educate yourself I'm sure you will agree with the majority of feminist views. You're making some very sweeping statements and generalizing a hell of a lot by saying all feminists are the same!
"yes, a working class man has privilege over a middle class woman. Not in a wealth or money sense, clearly, but in the way that people view and respect them. I'll use rape culture as an example. Society give out the message "don't be raped" rather than "don't rape""
You are such an extremist and sexist towards men you have lost the ability to use logic to see the world.
Use some common sense when it comes to rape. Yes we all know humans should not rape, but that does not mean you can walk down a dark ally full of strange drunk men, wearing just your thongs and expect no one to rape you!
Working class man gets accused of raping a middle class woman, who would people believe more? The middle class woman over the working class man. You are such an extremist you don't understand it is class not gender that plays a biggest role!
This idea that all men have privilege over all women is such a stupid, extremist view of the world.
I am down with you.
You are such an extremist and sexist towards men you have lost the ability to use logic to see the world.
Use some common sense when it comes to rape. Yes we all know humans should not rape, but that does not mean you can walk down a dark ally full of strange drunk men, wearing just your thongs and expect no one to rape you!
Working class man gets accused of raping a middle class woman, who would people believe more? The middle class woman over the working class man. You are such an extremist you don't understand it is class not gender that plays a biggest role!
This idea that all men have privilege over all women is such a stupid, extremist view of the world.
I am down with you.
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Original post by Midlander
I'm 22, I benefited from nowt except £23k of student debt and have never received social security. I've spent the last 5 years earning a first class Masters degree and a year of that was in full time employment.
I have worked damn hard for my education and have worse job prospects in an uncertain economy because your generation spent all the cash. Don't you dare accuse us all of being scroungers when we are the ones picking up the tab.
I have worked damn hard for my education and have worse job prospects in an uncertain economy because your generation spent all the cash. Don't you dare accuse us all of being scroungers when we are the ones picking up the tab.
If we're going down the 'they [the baby boomers] spent all the cash' road then it could be argued that they earn the the majority of it in the late 1900s so should have been able to spend it like they wished.
However, this a really naive view of economics - economies go through boom and bust periods in a cyclical fashion, we were just unlucky to be born to live in a bust period. Stock markets and the dodgy business of selling off debts has always been unstable since the very start - in the early 1700s when such things were run out of coffee houses George I sold off Britain's debt which ultimately lead to the stock market drastically crashing and loosing a lot of people a lot of money. Sound similar to the recent crash? It's because it's the same - seemingly the financial sector doesn't learn from its mistakes. Also one could point out that the labour government of the time didn't help by selling off all the gold reserves which suppressed the price of gold which also left them with a depleted treasury to try and recover the economy with after the banking crash. And on top of that the current system of banks keeping very little money on hand - instead preferring to lead it to other to maximise their profits - also slows economic recovery.
Just claiming that the previous generations spent all the money is just taking issue with something that the majority had no control over.
And considering all the health problems that older generations are experiencing (considering the high atmospheric lead concentrations back then, it's not that surprising that they're having these issues) with the prospect of having to sell your house for care if you develop dementia etc the current system is pretty bad for everyone.
Tbh I think we should worry about how many of us will end up caring for our parents when they're older and the depressing affect that'll have on the economy :s
And why are you worrying over your student debts? They'll never cause a debt collect to come knocking and they're collected more like a tax anyway. Worry more about any private/commercial loans you take out in the future (or currently have) because there's a lot more at stake with debt from those.
Original post by b3ff
I am not sexist. I hate sexists. I have equal respect for both men and women and I do not think one gender is better than the other. Maybe if you read my previous post you'd see that feminism is about equality and not power to women. Men are victims of patriarchy too. Why can't men be househusbands without being labelled as feminine or lazy? Why is it more difficult for men to get to see their children when parents get a divorce? Why can't a straight man wear makeup without being classed as less of a man? These are all issues that feminists care about!
And yes, a working class man has privilege over a middle class woman. Not in a wealth or money sense, clearly, but in the way that people view and respect them. I'll use rape culture as an example. Society give out the message "don't be raped" rather than "don't rape". Again, I am aware that men get raped and women can rape, but the majority of rapes are men on women. If a woman gets raped, the first thing people will ask is "What was she wearing?" as if she wanted it to happen, as if the clothes she was wearing was an invitation.
If you look in to it and educate yourself I'm sure you will agree with the majority of feminist views. You're making some very sweeping statements and generalizing a hell of a lot by saying all feminists are the same!
And yes, a working class man has privilege over a middle class woman. Not in a wealth or money sense, clearly, but in the way that people view and respect them. I'll use rape culture as an example. Society give out the message "don't be raped" rather than "don't rape". Again, I am aware that men get raped and women can rape, but the majority of rapes are men on women. If a woman gets raped, the first thing people will ask is "What was she wearing?" as if she wanted it to happen, as if the clothes she was wearing was an invitation.
If you look in to it and educate yourself I'm sure you will agree with the majority of feminist views. You're making some very sweeping statements and generalizing a hell of a lot by saying all feminists are the same!
Fun fact men used to primarily get the children after a divorce due to usually being the one with the stable income. It was feminists who petitioned for it to be women who primarily got custody of their children as they argued that it was more harmful for a woman to be separated from her children than it is for a man to be.
Unfortunately, we do see a large number of feminists who don't consider men's issues as important as women's otherwise we wouldn't see feminists pulling fire alarms and generally disrupting meetings and talks about men's issues, we wouldn't have seen labour mp jess philips laugh at the notion of the problems that men are facing being discussed in parliament on international men's day (which they do for women's issues on international Women's day). We wouldn't have one of the major charities who help victims of domestic abuse having more information and help available for getting your pets away from your abusing partner than there is for men who are being abused. We wouldn't see the notion that men are always the abuser in domestic abuse cases existing.... amongst many other things
Respect is earned, not given. (And it's this scale of privilege idea that leads to some trying to claim that a homeless white man has more privilege than a rich black man... so many won't accept such arguments)
Wtf society clearly does give out the message of 'don't rape' considering its illegal and even being accused of it can ruin your life. The stigma around even possibly being a rapist is huge, nevermind actually being found guilty of rape and the high punishment that brings (and rightly so).
Barely anyone asks what a woman was wearing nowadays (the only time they would be is if they're being asked so that they can be identified in cctv footage but I'm assuming you're not counting that?)
Considering that under UK law a woman cannot rape a man by forcibly having sex with him how can we accurately judge how many men are raped, and if you think female victims are ignored and treated badly it's doubly the case for male victims (men who are raped by women as often told that they should have enjoyed it and such rubbish).
I've educated myself and come to the conclusion that feminism is not the way forwards for increased equality. Many have also come to the same conclusion. Others still view feminism as a good tool in the push for greater equality. All are entitled to their views. I agree that all sides over generalise the other though!
Original post by Fujoshi
If we're going down the 'they [the baby boomers] spent all the cash' road then it could be argued that they earn the the majority of it in the late 1900s so should have been able to spend it like they wished.
However, this a really naive view of economics - economies go through boom and bust periods in a cyclical fashion, we were just unlucky to be born to live in a bust period. Stock markets and the dodgy business of selling off debts has always been unstable since the very start - in the early 1700s when such things were run out of coffee houses George I sold off Britain's debt which ultimately lead to the stock market drastically crashing and loosing a lot of people a lot of money. Sound similar to the recent crash? It's because it's the same - seemingly the financial sector doesn't learn from its mistakes. Also one could point out that the labour government of the time didn't help by selling off all the gold reserves which suppressed the price of gold which also left them with a depleted treasury to try and recover the economy with after the banking crash. And on top of that the current system of banks keeping very little money on hand - instead preferring to lead it to other to maximise their profits - also slows economic recovery.
Just claiming that the previous generations spent all the money is just taking issue with something that the majority had no control over.
And considering all the health problems that older generations are experiencing (considering the high atmospheric lead concentrations back then, it's not that surprising that they're having these issues) with the prospect of having to sell your house for care if you develop dementia etc the current system is pretty bad for everyone.
Tbh I think we should worry about how many of us will end up caring for our parents when they're older and the depressing affect that'll have on the economy :s
And why are you worrying over your student debts? They'll never cause a debt collect to come knocking and they're collected more like a tax anyway. Worry more about any private/commercial loans you take out in the future (or currently have) because there's a lot more at stake with debt from those.
However, this a really naive view of economics - economies go through boom and bust periods in a cyclical fashion, we were just unlucky to be born to live in a bust period. Stock markets and the dodgy business of selling off debts has always been unstable since the very start - in the early 1700s when such things were run out of coffee houses George I sold off Britain's debt which ultimately lead to the stock market drastically crashing and loosing a lot of people a lot of money. Sound similar to the recent crash? It's because it's the same - seemingly the financial sector doesn't learn from its mistakes. Also one could point out that the labour government of the time didn't help by selling off all the gold reserves which suppressed the price of gold which also left them with a depleted treasury to try and recover the economy with after the banking crash. And on top of that the current system of banks keeping very little money on hand - instead preferring to lead it to other to maximise their profits - also slows economic recovery.
Just claiming that the previous generations spent all the money is just taking issue with something that the majority had no control over.
And considering all the health problems that older generations are experiencing (considering the high atmospheric lead concentrations back then, it's not that surprising that they're having these issues) with the prospect of having to sell your house for care if you develop dementia etc the current system is pretty bad for everyone.
Tbh I think we should worry about how many of us will end up caring for our parents when they're older and the depressing affect that'll have on the economy :s
And why are you worrying over your student debts? They'll never cause a debt collect to come knocking and they're collected more like a tax anyway. Worry more about any private/commercial loans you take out in the future (or currently have) because there's a lot more at stake with debt from those.
I wrote this 4 years ago but the point stands. The generation before caused recessions, started needless wars and tanked the environment and then has the audacity to call our one lazy and entitled. Boom and bust is not a certainty and if you look at America's golden age of the late 40s to late 60s you will see that.
Oh, and I never saw the older generations get charged for pursuing higher education either.
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Original post by Midlander
I wrote this 4 years ago but the point stands. The generation before caused recessions, started needless wars and tanked the environment and then has the audacity to call our one lazy and entitled. Boom and bust is not a certainty and if you look at America's golden age of the late 40s to late 60s you will see that.
Oh, and I never saw the older generations get charged for pursuing higher education either.
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Oh, and I never saw the older generations get charged for pursuing higher education either.
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The may have tanked the economy that they had built, but at least you get to use all the poor roads and infrastructure their taxes paid for, things would be a lot worse if starting from scratch.
Notwithstanding the economic climate living standards today are circa the same as early 21st century, a whole lot better than when I left university in 1983 to massive graduate unemployment and general unemployment (and there were not that many graduates then)
Whilst of course these are averages which hide a multitude of sins I can say, as one that was around in the 1970s, that life is more pleasant today than then, housing is better, diet is better, power cuts do not happen on a regular basis-finding your way round a house which has candles everywhere may today be a statement of who you are but back then was often what you needed to do to see . Even a duvet is better than sheets and heavy scratchy blankets, do you get ice on the insides of your windows in the morning?
Then central heating, what was that, I was brought up in an affluent family home with a professional father, we did not have central heating and nobody had double glazing. Most families did not have a car (we did) and holidays were a week at Butlins in Ayr or similar- I went abroad once in my childhood in 1970 and back then that was pretty uncommonn, and again,we were comfortably off.
So, before decrying us as looters of the world a little thought, you are better off than we were, we were better of than our parents, they were better of than our grandparents.
When you get to my age I suspect you will consider your own children spoiled, cosseted, I am pretty sure my Grandfather who left school in 1904, worked as a bakers lad on a horse drawn round, went of for a better life in the army in 1908, thought we all had an easy life, he was right, we did compared with him, as likely you eventually will have compared with us.
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The may have tanked the economy that they had built, but at least you get to use all the poor roads and infrastructure their taxes paid for, things would be a lot worse if starting from scratch.
Notwithstanding the economic climate living standards today are circa the same as early 21st century, a whole lot better than when I left university in 1983 to massive graduate unemployment and general unemployment (and there were not that many graduates then)
Whilst of course these are averages which hide a multitude of sins I can say, as one that was around in the 1970s, that life is more pleasant today than then, housing is better, diet is better, power cuts do not happen on a regular basis-finding your way round a house which has candles everywhere may today be a statement of who you are but back then was often what you needed to do to see . Even a duvet is better than sheets and heavy scratchy blankets, do you get ice on the insides of your windows in the morning?
Then central heating, what was that, I was brought up in an affluent family home with a professional father, we did not have central heating and nobody had double glazing. Most families did not have a car (we did) and holidays were a week at Butlins in Ayr or similar- I went abroad once in my childhood in 1970 and back then that was pretty uncommonn, and again,we were comfortably off.
So, before decrying us as looters of the world a little thought, you are better off than we were, we were better of than our parents, they were better of than our grandparents.
When you get to my age I suspect you will consider your own children spoiled, cosseted, I am pretty sure my Grandfather who left school in 1904, worked as a bakers lad on a horse drawn round, went of for a better life in the army in 1908, thought we all had an easy life, he was right, we did compared with him, as likely you eventually will have compared with us.
Notwithstanding the economic climate living standards today are circa the same as early 21st century, a whole lot better than when I left university in 1983 to massive graduate unemployment and general unemployment (and there were not that many graduates then)
Whilst of course these are averages which hide a multitude of sins I can say, as one that was around in the 1970s, that life is more pleasant today than then, housing is better, diet is better, power cuts do not happen on a regular basis-finding your way round a house which has candles everywhere may today be a statement of who you are but back then was often what you needed to do to see . Even a duvet is better than sheets and heavy scratchy blankets, do you get ice on the insides of your windows in the morning?
Then central heating, what was that, I was brought up in an affluent family home with a professional father, we did not have central heating and nobody had double glazing. Most families did not have a car (we did) and holidays were a week at Butlins in Ayr or similar- I went abroad once in my childhood in 1970 and back then that was pretty uncommonn, and again,we were comfortably off.
So, before decrying us as looters of the world a little thought, you are better off than we were, we were better of than our parents, they were better of than our grandparents.
When you get to my age I suspect you will consider your own children spoiled, cosseted, I am pretty sure my Grandfather who left school in 1904, worked as a bakers lad on a horse drawn round, went of for a better life in the army in 1908, thought we all had an easy life, he was right, we did compared with him, as likely you eventually will have compared with us.
Objectively speaking ours will be the first generation to be worse off than the one before. Though actually, yes, I have rented places that were so cold I slept wearing a coat and scarf. Though this isn't what I'm annoyed at-it is the characterisation of people as ungrateful and feckless by those who messed up so much and then imposed things on the next generation which were not on them.
Won't be forgotten.
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