Government petition on the porn filtering issue
Should you disagree with the start of this filtering of the internet that will inevitable lead to more and more things being blocked and censored then sign the government petition.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746
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"Bad parenting is the real problem, and bad parents will simply allow the filter to be enabled and believe it protects their children, even though the filters are easily (even trivially) circumvented"
Really? So bad parents allow their children to watch porn just for sh*ts and giggles?
And also "even though the filters are easily (even trivially) circumvented"
If that's the case then why are they so bothered? Also, It's designed to deter younger eyes, who probably wouldn't find it so easy to circumvent.
It continues "in the name of protecting children, who are in fact being harmed more by poor parenting."
Wait, isn't it good that the government is trying to avoid their "poor parenting" having an effect on the children? How is the government supposed to supervise millions of families and make sure they're all following the rules and being sufficient parents?
It's an opt-in feature. If you feel like you need porn, opt-in. If you don't, then leave the box unchecked. I don't see the problem here.
Negs and not a single meaningful reply to anything I said in this post? That's TSR all over.
Really? So bad parents allow their children to watch porn just for sh*ts and giggles?
And also "even though the filters are easily (even trivially) circumvented"
If that's the case then why are they so bothered? Also, It's designed to deter younger eyes, who probably wouldn't find it so easy to circumvent.
It continues "in the name of protecting children, who are in fact being harmed more by poor parenting."
Wait, isn't it good that the government is trying to avoid their "poor parenting" having an effect on the children? How is the government supposed to supervise millions of families and make sure they're all following the rules and being sufficient parents?
It's an opt-in feature. If you feel like you need porn, opt-in. If you don't, then leave the box unchecked. I don't see the problem here.
Negs and not a single meaningful reply to anything I said in this post? That's TSR all over.
(edited 10 years ago)
The problem is that this is just the start. Once these measures are in place it is going to be extremely easy for more and more things to become "blocked".
You can also get filtering software for your internet connection anyway. If parents are concerned about such things, then they can get that.
But that's not the main point of why I disagree with the filtering, it's the increasing nanny state that we are becoming blinkered into accepting where eventually were going to find more and more things banned or "filtered"
http://www.ibtimes.com/uk-porn-filter-censorship-extends-beyond-pornography-one-isp-fighting-back-1361379
You can also get filtering software for your internet connection anyway. If parents are concerned about such things, then they can get that.
But that's not the main point of why I disagree with the filtering, it's the increasing nanny state that we are becoming blinkered into accepting where eventually were going to find more and more things banned or "filtered"
http://www.ibtimes.com/uk-porn-filter-censorship-extends-beyond-pornography-one-isp-fighting-back-1361379
We can cross that bridge when/if we come to it. You can't just assume "argh they're blocking this, they're gonna block other stuff!!!" because there's nothing to suggest they'll do that.
Also, what else is there to really block?
Oh and can I just point out, nothing is being blocked. Honestly. You'll probably get a letter for your ISP listing things you'd like them to continue providing. Check all the boxes that apply to you. Send it back. The parameters of your internet will be just as they are.
There really is no need to make a mountain out of what is essentially, still a molehill.
Also, what else is there to really block?
Oh and can I just point out, nothing is being blocked. Honestly. You'll probably get a letter for your ISP listing things you'd like them to continue providing. Check all the boxes that apply to you. Send it back. The parameters of your internet will be just as they are.
There really is no need to make a mountain out of what is essentially, still a molehill.
(edited 10 years ago)
That's all well and good, but responding to something after it is already implemented is too late.
"The Open Rights Group spoke with several ISPs and found that in addition to pornography, users will also be required to opt in for any content tagged as violent, extremist, terrorist, anorexia and eating disorders, suicide, alcohol, smoking, web forums, esoteric material and web-blocking circumvention tools."
You might not agree with the previously mentioned items, but that's not the point, the point is that they are being filtered which is taking away our ability to choose for ourselves.
"The Open Rights Group spoke with several ISPs and found that in addition to pornography, users will also be required to opt in for any content tagged as violent, extremist, terrorist, anorexia and eating disorders, suicide, alcohol, smoking, web forums, esoteric material and web-blocking circumvention tools."
You might not agree with the previously mentioned items, but that's not the point, the point is that they are being filtered which is taking away our ability to choose for ourselves.
Original post by Ras17
There really is no need to make a mountain out of what is essentially, still a molehill.
There really is no need to make a mountain out of what is essentially, still a molehill.
I think the Chinese government said the same thing...
Original post by Izzyeviel
I think the Chinese government said the same thing...
The Chinese government is totalitarian. Britain on the other hand is a democratic state. Notice the difference?
Original post by ScottScott
You might not agree with the previously mentioned items, but that's not the point, the point is that they are being filtered which is taking away our ability to choose for ourselves.
You might not agree with the previously mentioned items, but that's not the point, the point is that they are being filtered which is taking away our ability to choose for ourselves.
I'm sorry but isn't an opt-in/opt-out feature designed to do exactly that?
Original post by Ras17
The Chinese government is totalitarian. Britain on the other hand is a democratic state. Notice the difference?
Or is it Totalitarian state masquerading as a democracy?
Original post by Ras17
I'm sorry but isn't an opt-in/opt-out feature designed to do exactly that?
By making it as awkward as possible. That's one of Dave's points - it was too hard to opt out of porn so he's gonna make it harder to access.
Original post by Izzyeviel
By making it as awkward as possible. That's one of Dave's points - it was too hard to opt out of porn so he's gonna make it harder to access.
He has a point, setting up a porn filter at the moment is pretty annoying and to do it effectively you need to purchase third party software. Under the opt out system it removes that massive inconvenience and replaces it with a single phone call probably lasting no longer than a minute on a quiet day.
Original post by Darth Stewie
He has a point, setting up a porn filter at the moment is pretty annoying and to do it effectively you need to purchase third party software. Under the opt out system it removes that massive inconvenience and replaces it with a single phone call probably lasting no longer than a minute on a quiet day.
Or so he says. Have you ever called your internet provider about anything?
Original post by Izzyeviel
Or so he says. Have you ever called your internet provider about anything?
And I give it a few months before they start charging an "admin fee" for it.
Original post by Izzyeviel
Or so he says. Have you ever called your internet provider about anything?
I have actually rang 3 about this exact issue as they have been blocking porn as a default on their network for a while, they charged 50p for it but removed the block almost instantly.
Several years ago i had to help an eleven year old female relative on her homework about corporal punishment. Even with filters on I was embarrassed with what came up.
If the government was banning it, I'd be the first to shout out about censorship. But they're doing an opt in. That's not censorship.
The Internet is main stream now and not the vestige of those lacking a personal life. Therefore a degree of policing needs to be introduced.
If the government was banning it, I'd be the first to shout out about censorship. But they're doing an opt in. That's not censorship.
The Internet is main stream now and not the vestige of those lacking a personal life. Therefore a degree of policing needs to be introduced.
Original post by MatureStudent36
Several years ago i had to help an eleven year old female relative on her homework about corporal punishment. Even with filters on I was embarrassed with what came up.
If the government was banning it, I'd be the first to shout out about censorship. But they're doing an opt in. That's not censorship.
The Internet is main stream now and not the vestige of those lacking a personal life. Therefore a degree of policing needs to be introduced.
If the government was banning it, I'd be the first to shout out about censorship. But they're doing an opt in. That's not censorship.
The Internet is main stream now and not the vestige of those lacking a personal life. Therefore a degree of policing needs to be introduced.
Shill
Original post by Ras17
"Bad parenting is the real problem, and bad parents will simply allow the filter to be enabled and believe it protects their children, even though the filters are easily (even trivially) circumvented"
Really? So bad parents allow their children to watch porn just for sh*ts and giggles?
And also "even though the filters are easily (even trivially) circumvented"
If that's the case then why are they so bothered? Also, It's designed to deter younger eyes, who probably wouldn't find it so easy to circumvent.o
It continues "in the name of protecting children, who are in fact being harmed more by poor parenting."
Wait, isn't it good that the government is trying to avoid their "poor parenting" having an effect on the children? How is the government supposed to supervise millions of families and make sure they're all following the rules and being sufficient parents?
It's an opt-in feature. If you feel like you need porn, opt-in. If you don't, then leave the box unchecked. I don't see the problem here.
Really? So bad parents allow their children to watch porn just for sh*ts and giggles?
And also "even though the filters are easily (even trivially) circumvented"
If that's the case then why are they so bothered? Also, It's designed to deter younger eyes, who probably wouldn't find it so easy to circumvent.o
It continues "in the name of protecting children, who are in fact being harmed more by poor parenting."
Wait, isn't it good that the government is trying to avoid their "poor parenting" having an effect on the children? How is the government supposed to supervise millions of families and make sure they're all following the rules and being sufficient parents?
It's an opt-in feature. If you feel like you need porn, opt-in. If you don't, then leave the box unchecked. I don't see the problem here.
I agree with you entirely. I think this is more designed to protect kids when theyre at the stage of typing 'boobies' into youtube, sure they might get round it in time but I doubt many little children will.
The problem comes if it ends up blocking other stuff, for example if I was researching seabirds (boobies and shags) and it blocked thos sites, as many current filters do.
As you say though, cross that bridge when it is reached. I think this also may help people, like myself, who have struggled with their porn watching habit in the past. If its nore difficult to access then it gives more time to realise thats not what you want to do in the long run!
Original post by Ras17
The Chinese government is totalitarian. Britain on the other hand is a democratic state. Notice the difference?
All totalitarian regimes call themselves democratic.
Original post by Ras17
The Chinese government is totalitarian. Britain on the other hand is a democratic state. Notice the difference?
Funny, then, that Cameron should choose to use the same filter as the Chinese government.
Original post by redferry
I agree with you entirely. I think this is more designed to protect kids when theyre at the stage of typing 'boobies' into youtube, sure they might get round it in time but I doubt many little children will.
You'd be very, very surprised at the genius we had as kids when we first discovered tits were a thing.
Our primary school had to continuously block the proxies we found as kids to get onto games during school time - this blanket ban will be even more trivial to get around. That was when we were still running Windows 98 - children are a lot more computer-literate now.
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by MatureStudent36
Several years ago i had to help an eleven year old female relative on her homework about corporal punishment. Even with filters on I was embarrassed with what came up.
Hang on a second, do you mean you were embarrassed by corporal punishment? Understandable but doesn't sound like something that would make you blush, or do you mean to say you sat and watched porn with an 11 year old girl?
Thank **** for GCHQ and the NSA hey, hopefully they will catch people that sit and watch porn with 11 year old girls now with their ever growing powers. Anyway you had filters on and still ended up embarrassed, the filters we will be getting aren't any better.Quick Reply
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