Rise in support for the Centre-Right/Right?

The whole 'rise of UKIP' and rebellion from the right wing Tory backbenchers doesn't seem to be limited to just the UK..

A Centre-Right party looking to form a coalition with an anti-Immigration party has won the general election in Norway unseating the Labour party.

Adding to this, another fairly right wing Tony Abbott was elected in Australia's recent votes, and has already stamped down his views on asylum etc..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24014551

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24005687

Is this a sign of things to come in our next elections perhaps? It doesnt seem like it at the minute, im incredibly surprised at Norway as i thought it was quite a left wing, near socialist style of country!

Reply 1

Loreal98

I think people of Europe especially are getting fed up, especially more western European countries.
Places like Sweden, UK, Denmark, Germany, France and Norway etc. are all suffering due to political correctness etc. which is generally linked to the left-wing.
Almost all of these countries have had massive immigration, which is almost completely one way traffic, and places are beginning to lose identity and culture which i think frankly scares many locals.

Reply 2

alexh42

12

I'm very glad with this rise of the right.

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Reply 3

Martyn*

13

The world is slowly losing its moral compass, so there will be a swing towards right wing views. It is not exclusive to immigration, behind it there is a lot of cruelty, and somewhere some group will be so right wing, so cruel, that they will rise up and start persecutions, murders, and genocide.

Reply 4

Plainview

2

Perhaps everyone's had enough of immigration. Or maybe they're just noticing how laughably inept Francois Hollande is.

Reply 5

Vae

15

"Massive immigration" has been happening for decades. It's doubtable that it would result in right-wing movements just now.

Reply 6

james22

16

In times of hardship like the current financial problems, people always look for someone to blame and right wing parties give them that.

Reply 7

ImNew

Centre left.. centre right they are so similar it's all mostly irrelevant, even the party that won in Norway said they had no plans to change anything to do with immigration.

Reply 8

The_Duck

7

This happens occasionally. You can't expect people to never change their minds. We'll have a swing back to the left in a few years.

Reply 9

thebiggy

well, mass immigration is hardcore capitalism and it has all but ruined europe, including britain. ( small scale targeted immigration ok )

what shocks me is just how weak and permissive europeans are to accept such dramatic negative changes to their societies.

Reply 10

CalDavies

I don't think it's anything new. As stated elsewhere it's more likely to be related to the economy. I almost guarantee that every country with a "rise in the right" has been thinking about the economy recently - and this is definitely true with Australia and most European countries.

The reason for this is because right wing parties generally have far stronger and more viable economic policies then left wing parties (at least in my opinion). Also just looking at the state of most left wing parties also explains why. The Labour Party's (both here and in Australia) are in quite poor conditions to be honest. If this is indicative of most left-wing parties around the world it's no wonder voters are looking elsewhere.

When [if] we are prosperous again people will naturally sway over to the left again. Liberalization has always occurred with wealth and growth - and if that weren't true we wouldn't have gay marriage, freedom of speech and political parties as a whole - or even the entire middle class.

(edited 10 years ago)

Reply 11

John Stuart Mill

3

Original post by qua

More than anything, this is a side-effect of the financial crisis in Europe, and not of "massive immigration". Years of recession have always been followed with a right-wing movement in the past.

and look where they get us... (Hitler anyone?)

Reply 12

Apocrypha

OP

15

Original post by John Stuart Mill

and look where they get us... (Hitler anyone?)

Meh, there were loads of terrible 'left wing' leaders aswell. (Stalin)

Reply 13

John Stuart Mill

3

Original post by Apocrypha

Meh, there were loads of terrible 'left wing' leaders aswell. (Stalin)

oh cmon thats gay, Stalin was about as right wing as David Beckham.

Reply 14

Apocrypha

OP

15

Original post by John Stuart Mill

oh cmon thats gay, Stalin was about as right wing as David Beckham.

Thats quite an inappropriate use of words, merged with a terrible analogy.

Reply 15

John Stuart Mill

3

Original post by Apocrypha

Thats quite an inappropriate use of words, merged with a terrible analogy.

then that, ladies and gentlemen, is my job done

Reply 16

Soul of Mischief

5

Also it seems (we're yet to see how long it lasts) that in this country at least there are signs of a recovery. Manufacturing is resurging so it's not just the City powering the growth. Add to that Labour have no real agenda are trapped by the unions etc and the Tories are promising a referendum on Europe I completely understand why there's an increase in support.

As for the rest of Europe I think rejection of political correctness and mass immigration is probably a large factor.

Reply 17

username521617

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Original post by Loreal98

I think people of Europe especially are getting fed up, especially more western European countries.
Places like Sweden, UK, Denmark, Germany, France and Norway etc. are all suffering due to political correctness etc. which is generally linked to the left-wing.
Almost all of these countries have had massive immigration, which is almost completely one way traffic, and places are beginning to lose identity and culture which i think frankly scares many locals.

I agree. The left is getting too carried away with its overzealous enforcement of political correctness and is becoming noticeably hypocritical with its ever increasing facade of double standards and limp-wristed, idealist rhetoric.

While I am by no means a 'right-winger', I confess I am partially on board with this change of public political favour. I'm fed up with the left's B.S.

(edited 10 years ago)

Reply 18

Alfissti

20

Original post by Apocrypha

The whole 'rise of UKIP' and rebellion from the right wing Tory backbenchers doesn't seem to be limited to just the UK..

A Centre-Right party looking to form a coalition with an anti-Immigration party has won the general election in Norway unseating the Labour party.

Adding to this, another fairly right wing Tony Abbott was elected in Australia's recent votes, and has already stamped down his views on asylum etc..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24014551

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24005687

Is this a sign of things to come in our next elections perhaps? It doesnt seem like it at the minute, im incredibly surprised at Norway as i thought it was quite a left wing, near socialist style of country!

The shift to the right in Norway wasn't surprising to anyone in Norway, it was very much widely expected. Many have long supported the Progress Party including younger people during the time of it's charismatic leader Karl Hagen, today that party is essentially a UKIP of Norway albeit far more powerful and run by far more knowledgeable politicians.

Reasons for the recent rise of the right is simply because after 8 years of Jen Stoltenberg many simply had enough of big government and big spendings by government, while it isn't a profligacy as per Greece or as how Labour was in UK in their final term in office things were starting to get out of hand. Many are simply sick and tired of the country's oil resources being used to mask the real deficit and structural problems in the country. Many are somewhat impressed by the Reinfeldt factor across the border in Sweden, their centre-right government has simply been doing a very good job and made the state smaller but far more efficient, hence the reason why even David Cameron constantly states UK should be like Sweden and now even Barrack Obama claims that Sweden has lessons to teach the US, this ultimately did influence many that Norway could do the same. Most want to see an end to the state being so involved in their life and they want choices. But above all many are simply sick and tired of the bureaucracy that is stifling the economy and making things inefficient.

The next PM is largely dubbed to be Norway's Angela Merkel, a tough no nonsense lady. Many simply believe she will bring forth the reforms needed to diversify the economy to be beyond energy and unlike those in Labour many realize the oil wealth isn't going to last for that much longer. It will be a good change as she has promised a lot of reforms that could only be good and much of her promised policies can only lead to a stronger and more vibrant economy and hopefully one that stops the crazy property bubble that's been going on for the last 5 years.

In regards to immigration, the last election wasn't an election about controlling immigration or asylum numbers, it was more about better integrating and managing immigrants once they are here, to which Labour had a horrible record of doing, this is what angers many with regard to immigration and foreign nationals being in the country. You won't know who to blame for it really, the government claims they have 300 hours of free Norwegian lessons for all newly arriving migrants, but you have to fill up 11 different forms in Norwegian for the first 20 hours of it, then you can patiently wait and wait for your turn hence only 1 in 6 of newly arriving migrants get to complete that language and integration lessons. Funny that, it is easier for a newly arriving migrant family to know about how to claim welfare benefits than it is to get lessons for the language and that is because the department that handles it spends huge amounts of money translating and ensuring there are people of just about every language available at welfare offices, and they still wonder why people get pissed off.

I'm not saying this new government will be better or worse, it is still too early to tell but one thing for sure I sure as hell is sick and tired of the bureaucracy here that stems from the state and spills into the private sector too. However it will be enough for now for me to remain here in Norway before I pack up and leave like what I was thinking of doing when I arrived here last November.

Reply 19

Kiss

2

That's what happens when the left impose their intolerant PC bull**** on everyone else.

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