LSE UCL or KCL?

So you're effectively saying there's no brand power? UCL does have brand power and I would like to think it looks more attractive than London Metropolitan University for example. Firms hire from all sorts of universities, but predominantly Oxbridge, illustrating that brands do have an influence. I think saying that US firms hire exclusively from Oxbridge is a complete overstatement unless you're referring to Skadden.

Here's an example of someone who went to a quite bottom ranked university, n.121, London Metropolitan university, and is now a trainee solicitor at leading US law firm, Ropes & Gray.

https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=54190866&authType=OUT_OF_NETWORK&authToken=JJmk&locale=en_US&srchid=2513932471398531673263&srchindex=1&srchtotal=4&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A2513932471398531673263%2CVSRPtargetId%3A54190866%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary

You're contradicting yourself. US firms cannot be "literally Oxbridge exclusive" if there are UCL and LSE graduates there. "Literally Oxbridge exclusive" would mean that every graduate to have ever got a training contract there went to Oxbridge. Obviously that isn't the case.

Many of those LSE and UCL graduates have also gone to Oxbridge and Harvard for the BCL/LLM. I can't say every single person that you'll find at US firms has gone to Oxbridge, you're right, but I'm saying that their intake from Oxbridge is so large that it more or less is impossible for the average 2:1 law student anywhere else to get in, unless I've said, they're very exceptional, or have worked for other firms previously, or married the daughter of a senior partner, etc


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Well that's thoroughly depressing. I suppose I'll concede to your view since you seem to know more about it than me. My point was more a pedantic one than anything.

Many of those LSE and UCL graduates have also gone to Oxbridge and Harvard for the BCL/LLM. I can't say every single person that you'll find at US firms has gone to Oxbridge, you're right, but I'm saying that their intake from Oxbridge is so large that it more or less is impossible for the average 2:1 law student anywhere else to get in, unless I've said, they're very exceptional, or have worked for other firms previously, or married the daughter of a senior partner, etc


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. MC firms hire largely from Oxbridge (especially Oxford), and US firms are literally exclusively Oxbridge.


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I've seen this, and I still stand by my statement in the literal sense. I've had friends interviewed at US firms, one from LSE, and whilst he was there he was told that the firm only hires from Oxbridge, with the occasional LSE or UCL graduate. Some take as little as 5 graduates a year, and the only way you'll get in from a uni that isn't Loxbridge is if you're the absolute best of the best at your uni, and it's hard to be that person.

Simply, the chances of you getting into a US firm if you aren't an Oxbridge graduate is so marginal that it more or less is prerequisite to attend Oxbridge, because you really are lowering your chances tenfold.
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Well I just firmed UCL over KCL.

Came down to location: it's a bit closer to where I live! I figure it will be easier to get a first if it takes ten minutes less time to commute in the morning. Right? Right.

Hey,

I was just curious on what everybody's thoughts were on these universities? I've gotten into LSE, UCL and KCL for Law and I know I'm really lucky because they're really prestigious and fantastic universities but they are also very similar. I just wondered what everybody thought about them and which one I should go to. I'm collecting lots of information from different people so although this won't be the deciding factor it will certainly feed into my decision.

Thanks

Clearly you go to UCL and I'm guessing from the tone of your reply that LSE rejected you?

Anyway, I'm not starting an argument. Let's just be up front about our circumstances - it's not particularly useful to have very biased feedback on a thread like this.

QuestionsQ

UCL > LSE > KCL.

I'm not entirely sure, but isn't LSE law one of those programmes which international students can buy their way into it?

I'm an international who got offered a 27k DP scholarship for KCL. When I first applied to the UK my attitude was pretty much "Oxbridge (in my case Cambridge) or bust" if I was paying int. tuition fees however the scholarship makes KCL affordable. I'm also considering offers from the various top Canadian business schools.

To make my decision I'm trying to figure out how KCL is perceived in the UK. What are some Unis in North America you think it's comparable to?

Also, the consensus seems to be that it's below UCL and LSE, but how far below?

Well, I applied with no IB, so the Academic requirements were unreachable without serious grade inflation... (In Canada we have no standardized exams/ courses, all marking is in house. It's really stupid.)

Not sure what the AP requirements are (that's what I had) but I applied with 3 5s achieved (the top grade) and another four predicted. Oxbridge requires 5 5s for context.

So in answer to your question, in my experience... no.

But you didn't try buying your way in, did you? Have you donated anything? Bought the department new computers? Built a building? Bribed a professor?

Oh, I thought you meant just with extra tuition fees.

I have no idea then. Still, that's sort of true of any Uni. The Kennedy and Bush family have no trouble getting into Harvard, and that's part money part connection. If you have the resourses, you can buy your way in anywhere, and I don't see how that's a huge problem; if it means significantly better facilities/ staff / ect I'll put up with one dumb kid.

I heard you can't do it with Oxbridge because the media is always looking at them. But obviously if you are rich, you can give your child lots of extra tuition and interview training, and good references, etc and it's basically the same.

Well, you can also send them to private school, etc. For better or worse, there's advantage in wealth.

I'm an international who got offered a 27k DP scholarship for KCL. When I first applied to the UK my attitude was pretty much "Oxbridge (in my case Cambridge) or bust" if I was paying int. tuition fees however the scholarship makes KCL affordable. I'm also considering offers from the various top Canadian business schools.

To make my decision I'm trying to figure out how KCL is perceived in the UK. What are some Unis in North America you think it's comparable to?

Also, the consensus seems to be that it's below UCL and LSE, but how far below?

UCL > LSE > KCL.

I'm not entirely sure, but isn't LSE law one of those programmes which international students can buy their way into it?

UCL > LSE > KCL.

I'm not entirely sure, but isn't LSE law one of those programmes which international students can buy their way into it?