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Is it possible to get into a decent university for mathematics via an access course? I would prefer to do a joint major of mathermatics and physics. I have seen that some universities accept it but I have been told that A level students take precedence. The most elite universities wont accept it(not alone anyway) and the few that I have seen suggest you take the AEA or STEP exams. I don't know where I would take these. I have heard they are harder than A levels.
Reply 1
There's a member on this website that got into oxford(law)with just an access course...
idk if that helps much,sorry :/
Reply 2
Original post by XaberrantX
Is it possible to get into a decent university for mathematics via an access course? I would prefer to do a joint major of mathermatics and physics. I have seen that some universities accept it but I have been told that A level students take precedence. The most elite universities wont accept it(not alone anyway) and the few that I have seen suggest you take the AEA or STEP exams. I don't know where I would take these. I have heard they are harder than A levels.


It all depends by what you mean by a "decent" university. It's unlikely that an access course would give you the sort of background you'd need for an intensive course at a top university, and maths is a subject that is highly foundational i.e. builds on prior knowledge and skill (unlike, say, Law which doesn't have any absolute prerequisites).

Have you already completed A Levels? What grades / module marks did you get?

AEA and STEP are administered by exam boards in the same way as A Levels, so you would have to find yourself an exam centre that would allow you to sit them as a private candidate, but they are tough - you don't just sit down for a week and practise A level questions then expect to be able to pass them!

There was a guy on here a couple of years ago who got really bad A level grades but was passionate about studying Maths or Physics. He did a Foundation Degree somewhere and then I think he was accepted onto a Masters course at Durham, so it's not impossible to take a non-standard route as long as you accept that it requires time and a lot of hard work!
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I'm currently 29 and had unconditional offers this year to study physics at King's College, Queen Mary's and University of Hertfordshire.
I completed the first year of an Open University Natural Sciences degree to gain a Certificate in Higher Education. In the modules I chose to do a 30 credit maths module and a 10 point astronomy module.

When doing my research I found that many universities would rather have A levels, however this can be difficult as a mature student. Access courses are great, but universities (especially Oxbridge and other Russell Group) will favour applicants with a levels. I made the decision to go for a level 4 qualification (Cert HE) over an access course (level 3) making sure I had appropriate evidence of an interest in the subject and mathematical ability.

It is very important to show evidence of what you can do! How do I know this? I applied last year with my current qualifications and didn't get any offers. This year I applied again and sent of portfolios containing mathematics and physics assignments that I completed for the OU. Got 3 offers.

There are pro's and con's to going through this route, however, I think it shows the uni you are capable of degree level study.

I didn't consider applying to Oxbridge as I felt I'd never stand a chance of getting in. My average result through my Cert HE was about 85% (which probably equates to 3 - 4 A* grades over chemistry, biology, physics and maths.) To be entirely fair, I didn't expect to get offers from King's or Queen Mary's. So maybe I should have tried, but I am very happy with my firm option, it would have been my first choice anyway.

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Original post by davros
It all depends by what you mean by a "decent" university. It's unlikely that an access course would give you the sort of background you'd need for an intensive course at a top university, and maths is a subject that is highly foundational i.e. builds on prior knowledge and skill (unlike, say, Law which doesn't have any absolute prerequisites).


Decent for me would be a university degree that actually leads to gainful employment. Many people I know that went to universities below the top 50 are unemployed. Only the people from top 20 universities and/or Russel Group ones got a good job afterwards. There were few exceptions which were people with internships, experience, contacts, exceptionally skilled etc. Ideally I would like to get into somewhere like Kings College, Maybe even UCL at best. I know anything higher than that is out of my league. I don't want to go to anywhere below the status of somewhere like Queen Mary University. Prestige does matter since graduates are a dime a dozen now.

Original post by davros


Have you already completed A Levels? What grades / module marks did you get?



No I haven't completed A levels before. Actually I had a year 5 education in mathematics till recently. I am doing the GCSE right now and finished the material some months ago. So I literally did all those years of schooling in 6 months and that's not all I was doing. THey predicted me an A* since I get around 56+/66 on the practice papers. so I am going through a pure maths now. http://tinyurl.com/pgcef5b I hope I can finish finish the whole A level material by the end of the year then I can just focus on understanding. Depending on the difficulty of the STEP exams I may not be able to fully understand everything in time. I did some AMC questions and they make the GCSE and AS questions look like a joke. Even better olympiad type questions are beyond me. If the STEP exams are like that then i'll need 2-3 more years to prepare.

Original post by davros


AEA and STEP are administered by exam boards in the same way as A Levels, so you would have to find yourself an exam centre that would allow you to sit them as a private candidate, but they are tough - you don't just sit down for a week and practise A level questions then expect to be able to pass them!

There was a guy on here a couple of years ago who got really bad A level grades but was passionate about studying Maths or Physics. He did a Foundation Degree somewhere and then I think he was accepted onto a Masters course at Durham, so it's not impossible to take a non-standard route as long as you accept that it requires time and a lot of hard work!






Actually I think I may be good enough to go into research and contribute something useful but if I'm not then I would like my degree to be respected by employers.
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Reply 5
Original post by benh84
I'm currently 29 and had unconditional offers this year to study physics at King's College, Queen Mary's and University of Hertfordshire.
I completed the first year of an Open University Natural Sciences degree to gain a Certificate in Higher Education. In the modules I chose to do a 30 credit maths module and a 10 point astronomy module.

When doing my research I found that many universities would rather have A levels, however this can be difficult as a mature student. Access courses are great, but universities (especially Oxbridge and other Russell Group) will favour applicants with a levels. I made the decision to go for a level 4 qualification (Cert HE) over an access course (level 3) making sure I had appropriate evidence of an interest in the subject and mathematical ability.

It is very important to show evidence of what you can do! How do I know this? I applied last year with my current qualifications and didn't get any offers. This year I applied again and sent of portfolios containing mathematics and physics assignments that I completed for the OU. Got 3 offers.

There are pro's and con's to going through this route, however, I think it shows the uni you are capable of degree level study.

I didn't consider applying to Oxbridge as I felt I'd never stand a chance of getting in. My average result through my Cert HE was about 85% (which probably equates to 3 - 4 A* grades over chemistry, biology, physics and maths.) To be entirely fair, I didn't expect to get offers from King's or Queen Mary's. So maybe I should have tried, but I am very happy with my firm option, it would have been my first choice anyway.

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I'm hoping the STEP exam would provide evidence for my mathematicaly capability. I am worried I might not be able to get a 1 which they usually require. However as long as I get a conditional then it's fine.

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