UN should Intervene

9 years ago? Countries can't change their mind in 9 years right? What a patronising remark as well. Maybe it's you who should read instead of having to go back 9 years for evidence. Kill a hell of a lot more? They need just enough to satisfy apologists like you and avoid International sanctions.

So you believe that Israel has no legal right to attack Hamas.

In that case we have nothing more to talk about.

I'm merely going to state a fact here, I'm not taking sides.

You are correct, something did change and I'll tell you what that was.

In 2005 Israel and Fatah (palestines current government) made efforts to co exist peacefully.
Not only did Israel withdraw it's settlers, as has already been mentioned they also signed an agreement giving Palestine total control of imports/exports. There was no blockade.
Israel also gave Palestine 100 million dollars in aid.
This was done despite open opposition and threats from Hamas.

In 2007 Hamas staged a violent coup and overthrew Fatah. Hamas themselves murdered a lot of innocent people during this seize of power. Hamas then declared war on Israel. Hamas are nothing but a terrorist organisation and Israel set up an entirely legal and UN sanctioned blockade to prevent Hamas from importing arms and weaponry.

Even during this current conflict Fatah are trying to convince Hamas to come to a peaceful agreement with Israel. Hamas will not. They are extremists with the sole desire to eradicate Israel altogether, there will be no discussion and no possibility of peace while Hamas is at the helm.

That is what changed


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If israel cared about the lives of kids they would of used their ground forces to dislodge hamas not just bomb the place knowing there are innocent people and children hiding and sleeping.

No, where have i said that? It has the right to attack Hamas but it must do so proportionally which it clearly isn't.

I posed the question:

"Is Israel acting legally in attacking Hamas?"

and you said "no".

Let me refine my question then more closely so you cannot wiggle. Does Israel have the legal right, in principle, to attack Hamas?

Yes, and whats your point?

Come now, I've answered that in the post you're quoting.

No, where have i said that? It has the right to attack Hamas but it must do so proportionally which it clearly isn't.

Ah we agree on something at least, if you're going to resort to straw man arguments there really is no point.

Why should it be proportional? Unless Hamas stops firing at Israel the fastest route to peace is their annihilation and further land occupation.

So by that logic we should have carpet bombed the whole of Afghanistan and removed the Taliban by turning the entire region to glass. I can see you thought that one out

First of all, for Israel, the lives of Israeli citizens whether civilians or army - come first.

And that's the same with any country and their own citizens.

Secondly, Hamas are firing from buildings with civilians in them. They're being killed because of this.

There was a report in the Israel media of a palestinian gunman charging an Israeli soldier with a rifle in one hand and a baby in the other. Obviously there is no proof in this case, but there is plenty of other documented proof of Hamas using civilians and child suicide bombers too.