Scientific proof for astrology

If you tell me that you are going to the seaside with a girl, merely by looking at the heavens I can tell you whether it is likely you will go for a moonlit stroll on the beach.

And that is how astrology started.

If I know the tide is in or the moon is new, I know you won't be going for a moonlit stroll on the beach.

If I can tell Pharoah when the Nile will flood, Pharoah will ask me the most auspicious time to start building his pyramid.

Hmm well if this is astrology then yes it certainly does have its uses... but that sounds more like astronomy/astrophysics to me.

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Something is only science once you know how it happens; otherwise it is magic.

Something is only science once you know how it happens; otherwise it is magic.

I don't think that is true. Quantum mechanics probably counts as magic by that definition.

Science is a method. The method is to propose a model that produces a consistent set of predictions, then test them against observations.

If you have a model that makes no apparent sense, but correctly predicts tides, then fine.

Astrology is not scientific because it either produces predictions that don't match observations, or it produces predictions that are too vague to compare with observations, and no one in astrology is making a good faith effort to fix these problems.

QM is not really any more magical than classical mechanics, except it's less intuitive. Asking 'how' something happens in physics is a sure-fire way to get confused. Are you asking for the set of proximate causes that can lead to an event, or our current best model for how the universe behaves wrt said event?

I am making the opposite argument to the one you are criticising.

I believe in astrology as natal charts never lie, and have never lied so far :P Plus, the planets in the solar system have some sort of influence to Earth, let's say, with their gravity, energy, and stuff. (I'm not an expert in science but I believe that universe has some kind of order, and each substance is interconnected)

The planets and the stars are much too far away to effect events upon the earth.The only thing that does have an effect is the moon which effects the tides.You are right that substances in the universe are interconnected for example the majority of the atoms that make up the human body were made in the cores of stars.But thats real science,real astronomy and its definitely more interesting than the cheap psuedoscience that is astrology.

I don't think that is true. Quantum mechanics probably counts as magic by that definition.

Science is a method. The method is to propose a model that produces a consistent set of predictions, then test them against observations.

If you have a model that makes no apparent sense, but correctly predicts tides, then fine.

Astrology is not scientific because it either produces predictions that don't match observations, or it produces predictions that are too vague to compare with observations, and no one in astrology is making a good faith effort to fix these problems.

I wouldnt say astrology is ludicrous. The fact that correct predictions have been made in the past shows that astrology is onto something. I dont think its fair to label an idea as ludicrous just because its not easy to comprehend. We live in a weird place.

I believe in astrology as natal charts never lie, and have never lied so far :P Plus, the planets in the solar system have some sort of influence to Earth, let's say, with their gravity, energy, and stuff. (I'm not an expert in science but I believe that universe has some kind of order, and each substance is interconnected)

What predictions are you talking about?


If you're not an expert, you're not really qualified to making statements about what's possible and what isn't then are you?

Um, you want to test if astrology is true or not? I'm not an expert but I know quite a lot about this 'pseudo' science. Let's bet then: I will make your approximate natal chart (real natal chart you should do with a professional astrologist). If I tell you your exact personality, and also inform you of what you should do and shouldn't, and if it turns out true (majority of the information at least), then I win. If not, then I lose.