Stop TSR Islamophobia masked as "debate"

Google freedom of speech...you seem to think you know all about it, but you really don't. And judging by your attitude you won't learn unless you read it yourself.


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I know its in the dictionary. I'm talking about the justification of whether a word that describes 'irrational fear or reaction to Islam' (specifically from non-Muslims) should exist. Do you think the word should exist and is the word even accurate enough to describe 'attacks on Muslims'?

Nor should the word Homophobia exist. Should be replaced by the word anti-Homosexual. What we experience in todays world is nor fear for of homos but hatred and hostility towards them. Phobia isn't accurate enough to describe that.

Nor should the word Homophobia exist. Should be replaced by the word anti-Homosexual. What we experience in todays world is nor fear for of homos but hatred and hostility towards them. Phobia isn't accurate enough to describe that.

Taking a normative stance over whether or not words should exist is a losing battle.

I think it is fairly accurate, actually. Fearing or hating all muslims based on the actions of the radical minority is irrational. Don't you?

Aw, okay. But if you knew anything about it, you'd know that hate speech towards people of religious belief doesn't constitute under freedom of speech and, therefore, your islamaphobic 'freedom of expression' is pretty redundant

It's called the harm principle. Google it.

When you say 'attack', what do mean?

But do you not think that hatred and hostility could originate from fear?

But it's not hate speech...not to mention even if it were you were still wrong. The entire idea of freedom of speech is not that you can say what you want - that you can do that is fairly obvious - but that you will not get persecuted for it or as you called it you have freedom of consequence.

The fact that you don't get that, makes me question how little you are capable of understanding.


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That's not 'Islam'ophobia that is 'muslim'ophobia and even that word isn't accurate enough to describe 'attacks on Muslims'. The correct word would be anti-Muslim. That's why attacks on Jews is described as 'anti-Semitic' not 'Semitiphobic'.

Are you literally just taking issue with the morphology? If so, that's really not an argument I have time for. There's a word, it means what it means; linguistic prescriptivism has never worked.

Well I disagree with the word and I also disagree by how it's used. End of discussion.

Again, I can't comment on this thread as I do minimal modding in the Religion forum. Most of it is left to the Religion forum specialists like Ash and getfunky.

I don't think this is an issue with censorship because no one is saying you can't criticise Islam - they're just saying you don't need to be cruel or nasty about it. As far as the one way street argument goes, I am sorry you feel this way and this is something else I would like to assure you is being taken seriously. There shouldn't be any preferential treatment, and if I can help it, there won't be.

You've clearly got a rose tinted view of things. Muslims are allowed to say "in a sharia state I support the execution of apostates who try to convince others to leave Islam".

I can say vicious things about Islam all day long, but nothing will touch that.

My post above has an added edit.

If they are in an Islamic state, and they go around ridiculing and slandering islam - and as such, inciting hatred/provoking public discord/provoking public rebellion/provoking division amongst the Muslims - then yes.

This is a similar view to that held by one of the moderators of the religion forum that Reluire mentioned (and unfortunately numerous other Muslims on TSR).

This is a similar view to that held by one of the moderators of the religion forum that Reluire mentioned (and unfortunately numerous other Muslims on TSR).

WOW, wasn't aware of this one. Thanks for the info.

Definitely a "neutral arbiter" as Reluire was claiming before.

A lot of people hold terrorist and disgusting beliefs here. (Like the moderator you mentioned and Raymat) They should be offered no protection whatsoever from verbal attack.

That's not the same as 'everybody who believes in Islam' though. The distinction imo exists.

We should make a thread naming and shaming them