**** I'm so scared Tories will win now.

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Well I don't really care about the poor, most are responsible for their situation. Why can't I care about disabled or sick people though?

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At least you admit you don't care about the poor. I respect that more then someone pretending they do but not actually.

Disabled and sick have faced huge benefit cuts. And the 'fit to work scheme'? Doctors and medical professionals have declared people not fit to work yet Ian Duncan Smith who claims £39 of taxpayers money on breakfast says they are fit?
Many examples of people being declared fit to work and dying.

You can't care about the poor, disabled and sick and vote tory. They are mutually exclusive.

Reply 21

timetoella

Original post by Life_peer

You're biased peasants, shut up.

Original post by Life_peer

It won't bring the daddy back if you're mean to people… :frown:

Mean to people :rolleyes:

Practice what you preach.

Reply 22

Life_peer

Original post by timetoella

Mean to people :rolleyes:

Practice what you preach.

Twisting others' words, typical commie. :rolleyes:

You're the first person ever on TSR who deliberately misquoted me without any indication that you've manipulated the text. Disgusting, however poor and desperate you are to win.

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Reply 23

timetoella

Original post by Life_peer

Twisting others' words, typical commie. :rolleyes:

I'm no communist but I can certainly think of worse things to be accused of... Like ****ting on poor and vulnerable sections of society in the name of a national debt they lent no hand in creating. That's what you advocate when you vote Tory.

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Reply 24

username1920701

Labour is the party for those who want to sit on their arses all day and not work
Conservatives are for those who actually want to make an earning for themselves

Simple

Reply 25

arminb

Original post by yfp786

Labour is the party for those who want to sit on their arses all day and not work
Conservatives are for those who actually want to make an earning for themselves

Simple

Labour is the party for people who actually want to make an earning for themselves but also perhaps survive .

Conservative is the party for people who don't mind foodbanks in the words 6th biggest economy.

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Reply 26

arminb

Guys what do you think about this?
[video="youtube_share;T4iIsRC5Ywc"]http://youtu.be/T4iIsRC5Ywc[/video]

Reply 27

arminb

Original post by Life_peer

Twisting others' words, typical commie. :rolleyes:

You're the first person ever on TSR who deliberately misquoted me without any indication that you've manipulated the text. Disgusting, however poor and desperate you are to win.

What is this bourgeoisie trolling? Do you realise that us "plebian scums" are actually the people who made the likes of David Cameron become the likes of David Cameron?

Reply 28

IAMADAM27

Original post by hdindak

im absolutely ****ting myself- the underprivaleged of society cannot afford another tory government

Vote for Nigel then! :smile:

Reply 29

username878267

Original post by arminb

But why should they take that money from the police and the social housing? Why not from the banks or those who have more than they need?

Why would the tories take money off their backers?
It's so much easier to take it off poor, disabled and sick people.

Unfortunately I feel like the tories will get the most seats too. Their scare tactics have worked.
They control the media so it's no surprise really.

Unless you live in a £2 million pound house you are pissing on your own leg voting tory.

Maybe one day some of these tory voters will become ill, or lose their home and you know what? I'll have no sympathy when the NHS can't afford to treat them. I'll have no sympathy when they get chucked out onto the streets. They'll deserve it.

Reply 30

hdindak

Original post by IAMADAM27

Vote for Nigel then! :smile:

hahaha in a million ****ing years

Reply 31

felamaslen

Which "constitutional rights" have been undermined?

Reply 32

hdindak

Original post by RYAN1872

I have voted for conservatives in Scotland so there you go...

ahah bet you're popular..

Reply 33

Cypress

Original post by arminb

How can people stand another FIVE years of austerity? Another five years of being ''represented'' by people who don't understand us? Five more years of people who undermine our constitutional rights? Five more years of seeing the super rich getting richer? I am not happy with the Labour party. I think them trying to be pragmatic is now turning into them losing their values. They began as a party formed by the working men to defend the working man

To answer your questions, Unfortunately we are just going to have to stand austerity until the budget is sorted. This is the mess we're in, and it doesn't even matter who put us here any more. You don't borrow your way out of debt, you pay higher taxes or tighten your belt. Either way, you can't spend money that isn't there, and pretending that you have a choice in whether or not to reduce the deficit doesn't make things any better. You're just trading your short-term security for somewhere else's down the line. LMAO, you think Labour represents you more than anyone else? Because Miliband went to a comprehensive school? Just look at his party, Oxford as far as the eye can see and you only need to look as far as Ed Balls for private education and family members running international investment banks... put down the kool-aid and smell the coffee... Ironically the UK doesn't have a single constitution of rights unlike many other nations, and if you don't believe that this has been chipped away by any and every government in the recent decades, maybe you should read up a bit before you go making decisions affecting the entire country. I'm not happy with some of the ridiculous victimless crimes the Tories have cooked up over the last few years, but fortunately we live in a democracy, and we still have the framework to debate these things without having to wait until we can vote the party out every few years. LOL! You think Labour are going to stop the super rich from getting any richer? Mate, the super rich always get richer... Why do you think that people who are so good at earning money to have become super rich in the first place are going to suddenly stall and start losing it? Not to mention that people with that much are going to take precaution to not lose it and capital snowballs so money makes money anyway... And this ignores the fact that the super rich are international anyway- taxing them harder is just going to push them, their industry, and their money out of our economy because it becomes unprofitable for them. The top 3,000 earners in the country already pay more in income taxes ALONE than the bottom 9 Million (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11233686/How-top-3000-earners-pay-more-tax-than-bottom-9-million.html) so unless you're going to just seize their passports, round them up, and shoot their families Soviet Union-style, they're just going to find another tax haven and we'll have to find another group to screw a sizeable chunk of our budget from. Also, the advent of the Labour party wasn't so romantically working-class as you may think- believe it or not, one of the major influences on the creation and behaviour of the party in the early 1900s was the middle-class intellectual Fabian Society, a group dedicated to instilling a Socialist system of government in the UK by gradualist and reformist means, as well as holding a commitment to using the British Empire as a tool for progressivism and modernisation on a worldwide scale. Funnily enough, one of their logos (lesser used today, of course) was literally a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Reply 34

Anonynmous

Original post by Life_peer

Twisting others' words, typical commie. :rolleyes:

You're the first person ever on TSR who deliberately misquoted me without any indication that you've manipulated the text. Disgusting, however poor and desperate you are to win.

Life_peer, Don't even bother debating with timetoella

She is 100% troll, I did a similar debate against her views on a very similar thread and she just absconded from the discussion.

Typical commie!

Reply 35

animus01

It all comes to a matter of trust, or a matter of choice as both Ed Milliband and David Cameron have echoed to the nation, for who will represent us and in economic matters, matters concerning Europe, David Cameron is the stronger candidate. It is a different picture in Opposition when only the Government of the day can see the books, which the coalition have addressed to build up the economy to support public services. Take your wages for example which need to go into the payment of bills, of taxes, of cost of living and then things we like. The only way we get by is to be sparing with our cash, a place I've been myself where I can't use too much electricity to keep the cost of the bills down - cuts are required which Labour hasn't ruled out, while Conservatives raise the personal tax allowance so it is higher earners that pay tax to keep more of the cash we earn for the payment of bills and cost of living - granted the system is not perfect which is what has been admitted, but it is on the way there.

If going with the example of £21K p/a, the question is if you can spread that in your bills, your taxes, your cost of living and things you'd like to buy like a new car - if the answer is no, then need to cut as mentioned above as well as to save, to invest, to be able to build up on that £21K and reduce the pressure on the Welfare State which again will provide more funding into public services. What needs to be acted upon is control of Welfare, of Immigration and other such issues, for there are those who abuse the system to exploit it which is not fair on people who genuinely need it. Now not saying the past 5 years have been fantastic, so the question is whether to allow the Conservatives to finish what they started, having spent the past 5 years sowing, for the next 5 years to be reaping?

I see food banks have been raised as an issue and this has been addressed in the debates, by the fact that before it was uncertain as to how many people use food banks, but now with it clearer, we will soon see in the next Parliament of whether those numbers go up or down, if up then we clearly got a problem - another issue is the referendum when 2/3 of the population voted for reformists and eurosceptics with people and businesses wanting referendum but Labour deny that, from the working class people they traditionally support who are now aligning themselves to UKIP who address this - one comment made was to present a united front against those who want profit over people, well, the referendum clearly is listening to businesses who don't want to leave and the threats given of leaving - it's just a referendum for goodness sake, putting the decision of staying in or out in the hands of the British people, that sounds like people over profit to me

That video, I just absolutely love it, don't lose your voice yet we lose our voice in Europe - to which end, who represents the British voice better in Europe and stands up against Barroso and everyone else, a quote I recall Cameron saying, "the British people are my boss" - can Ed Milliband say with a certainly that he, unlike other Labour leaders, will stand up against what doesn't sound right, or just allow to happen, from an institution that can override any of our laws if it doesn't conform under EU rules, which! is not necessarily a bad thing from the benefits as being part of the EU, but when says 'in my view', then the question is asked what about our! view - Don't get me wrong that I dislike Milliband for it is the contrary for me, but doesn't address points he should, and instead telling the British, all British people, if you want to speak, I'm not going to let you, handing votes straight over.

So why people vote Tories? see above ^

Reply 36

balanced

If labour/snp/ any extreme/moderate left wing party got into power, id consider going abroad. This idea of being "progressive" is exactly the opposite. Why do people forget time and time again that labour doesn't do anything good for the economy and every time the conservatives have to take drastic action to clean it up. Although I agree, big business is really supported right now, mainly by the eu, because im anti big business im anti eu.

Scaremongering by the snp in particular is really very funny, all the nasty torries! well progressive spending isnt going to be good for the poor in the long term, only short term. It's a very worrying un-educated way of solving a problem.

Reply 37

alexh42

I'm voting consevative because I want to get a job when I graduate. Economy growth = job growth.
UK create more jobs than EU put together. Yorkshire created more jobs than the whole of France.

Everything else is just details.

Reply 38

username878267

Original post by alexh42

I'm voting consevative because I want to get a job when I graduate. .

So you're supporting a party which has caused mass youth unemployment?
Lol.

Reply 39

balanced

Original post by alexh42

however the conservatives really do contradict themselves, they say the will reduce immigration to under 100 thousand.
Yet they are planning on millions of new jobs. It is clear to see that all this falling unemployment isnt falling unemployment atall, they are just putting new immigrants into the public sector, why else is the nhs 40% immigrant (appart from a similar ratio in patients which no one talks about)