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UniOfLife
I hope you'll forgive me when I tell you that it's complicated. I had a brief look just now and there are a number of important aspects and there is some confusion in your post. First of all we must be clear that the Jewish religion is based upon the Written and the Oral Law. If either of these can be said to have supremacy it is the Oral Law which we believe was given to Moses on Sinai along with the Written. So the interpretations are not arbitrary they are revealed. Quite how this ties in with the arguments over interpretation is another and equally (if not more) complicated question.

The point you cite from wikipedia is about the reason for a command. In Judaism we keep the commandments because God told us to. That is first and foremost. However, the commandments can be categorised into two groups - one for commandments for which we can provide some reason and one for which we cannot. But we always remember that whatever reason we give is not the true reason for that is known to God alone, but merely a "taste" something for us to think about while performing the commandment. (I use "taste" because the Hebrew word for "reason" is the same as for "taste" and this connection has been made by Rabbis before).

As for the specific question you ask about the derivation. I would have to look in the Talmud to be sure, but from what I saw briefly it appears to be based on a number of principles. One of the most basic is that what is in the Written Law is, wherever possible, not taken to be superfluous or for emphasis. Thus if the command is repeated it must be really separate commands. An explanation for the odd wording (referring to eating as cooking) is given that the command for eating is here different to other places. In other places eating is only forbidden if benefit is derived whereas here any eating is forbidden.

I won't pretend to be any sort of expert on the derivation of these laws but they appear to be complicated. What does seem true, though, (in this case more than others I've seen) is that the conclusion was known before the discussion. In other words, the Oral Law about meat and milk was known before the Rabbis of the Talmud discussed it (obviously) and the discussion of derivation is a post-facto one.

Apologies if this isn't clear but Judaism isn't clear - it require years of study to get a handle on so many basic concepts and decades more to become any kind of expert.

EDIT: About the shareholders - it is an interesting question. There are two points: 1) The nature of the benefit drawn is not clear. In this case I don't think that all benefit is forbidden so one would need to consult a competent Rabbi about the nature of the command. 2) Being a shareholder is an interesting question. We might ask how people can be shareholders of a company that operates on the Sabbath for instance. Again, this is a complicated question and not one I can really answer. I suppose it comes down to how big a share one has and how much influence that gives etc. There are lots of factors here, as everywhere.

Welcome to Judaism :smile:


Yep!

Also, the Torah is supposed to be divine so every word has deep, deep meanings.It is also known in Judaism that the Tanakh is very concentrated (it doesn't add 'unesscary' information).
As Uni said there are some laws known as a 'khoq' which reason for being will only be revealed when the Final Redemtion arrives.
I'm not very knowldgeable in this field but I do know that the Rabbis of The Talmud were unfathomable geniusus by studying The talmud.
frostmage
Yes actually, my sister knows it and when we went to Italy for vacation, a German couple asked us for help and she was able to communicate with them.
Except for the last words, 'Kol tuv' (goodbye) :biggrin: which is from Hebrew.


Ta

So in essence it is Judadized (sp? :s-smilie:) German?
Neville 'Facking' Bartos
Ta

So in essence it is Judadized (sp? :s-smilie:) German?


Yes essentially. Although, apparently there are slight variations with some version having many words derived from Polish or Hungarian. Like most things to do with Ashkenazi Judaism (at least) there are slight differences depending on the country or region that the community lived in.
UniOfLife
Leaving aside your nonsense about Kabbalah (frankly, it's quite pathetic to try and learn the secrets of the universe from a "Rabbi" who doesn't even wear a Kippah!) the question you pose makes no sense. Kabbalah is a part of Judaism.


you sum up what i'm thinking completely
notnek
E.g. The word 'midst' appears in a verse in leviticus and a verse in numbers. The two verses are unrelated.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this...


Might be too late, but still.

The following is an important aspect of decreeing laws in Judaism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmudical_Hermeneutics#Gezerah_Shavah_.28.D7.92.D7.96.D7.99.D7.A8.D7.94_.D7.A9.D7.95.D7.94.29
The Bachelor
Can you explain the rationale behind this?

Keep my decrees....Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
-NIV, Leviticus 19:19



Are you talking about Shatnez?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaatnez

That's the law of not wearing wool and linen together on the same garment.
A Question:

Why is the letter "ו" (vav) translated as waw in English (i.e. with a "w")?
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frostmage
A Question:

Why is the letter "ו" (vav) translated as waw in English (i.e. with a "w")?

In many hebrew dialects, the letter 'vav' is used as a 'w' sound and the letter is pronounced 'waw' (sounds like 'war').

If you go to Israel then you'll find that 'waw' is used a lot more than 'vav'.
notnek
In many hebrew dialects, the letter 'vav' is used as a 'w' sound and the letter is pronounced 'waw' (sounds like 'war').

If you go to Israel then you'll find that 'waw' is used a lot more than 'vav'.


I don't think so. If you don't mind me saying.

It's only a few Sephardi groups (not all of them) who pronouce it W. Like "WaYomer...".
I've been to israel and I speak with them but I don't remember any one saying (unless for a joke). "Ani rotseh Pizza WeCola im kerach" or something like that. I clearly hear the "v".
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frostmage
I don't think so. If you don't mind me saying.

It's only a few Sephardi groups (not all of them) who pronouce it W. Like "WaYomer...".
I've been to israel and I speak with them but I don't remember any one saying (unless for a joke). "Ani rotseh Pizza WeCola im kerach" or something like that. I clearly hear the "v".

Sorry. You are correct - I got confused with another letter.

'Waw' was the original hebrew pronunciation and I think the english translations use these original pronunciations.

See link: Original Hebrew Alphabet Pronunciation
notnek
Sorry. You are correct - I got confused with another letter.

'Waw' was the original hebrew pronunciation and I think the english translations use these original pronunciations.

See link: Original Hebrew Alphabet Pronunciation


I lold with the letter tet! :tongue:

new concepts here though.
How did jonah live in a whale for 3 days?
Sephirona
How did jonah live in a whale for 3 days?


Miracle?

Some say he ate the fish that the whale swallowed since they'd all end up in the same place :smile:
This has probably been asked a trillion times, but why don't Jews still follow many of the laws of the Torah (in particular, I am referring to the numerous "stone people if they do this" laws).
The Bachelor
This has probably been asked a trillion times, but why don't Jews still follow many of the laws of the Torah (in particular, I am referring to the numerous "stone people if they do this" laws).


Because there is such a thing as the oral law passed down from mozes at Sinai. It was written down in the talmud/mishna because things were starting to be confusing and studants understood the oral differently than other which is why the Talmud has a lot of disscussions and arguments.

While somethings (very few) things are taken literaly, most are exanded, explained in numerous commentries as well as the oral Torah.

for example: there is death penalty by burning. If taken literaly, that would seem with fire but what they did was actualy pour molten leaddown the throat which would cause instant death but this was rarely if ever done I'm not sure. I'll leave it to uni to confirm these.

Te Sanhedrin used avoid death penalties as much as possible and were lenient. Some death penalties weren't even excuted ever in History.
The Bachelor
This has probably been asked a trillion times, but why don't Jews still follow many of the laws of the Torah (in particular, I am referring to the numerous "stone people if they do this" laws).


As frostmage says, the Written Law (in the Torah) is not the whole Torah. There is an Oral Law that accompanies it and in many ways is more important that it. So what you read in the Torah is nowhere near the full story. In the cases you ask about, the rules are complicated and one of them is that in order for capital punishment to be meted out the Rabbis sitting in judgement (23 of them) must have ordination from a Rabbi ordained by a .. (etc) until Moses. Since that tradition has been broken no such cases can be tried today. Moreover, I think that the Temple is required to be in existence for them (although I'm not sure about that).

In short, the rules are all still observed they're just far more complex than appears from reading the Written Law.
How is divorce looked upon in Orthodox Judaism?

Are there significant differences in how it's dealt with in different sects?
Liberties
How is divorce looked upon in Orthodox Judaism?

Are there significant differences in how it's dealt with in different sects?


Divorce is allowed in Judaism if there is a legitimate reason and everything has been done in order to preserve the marriage and there is little or no religious stigma attatched to it.

Technically the man has to initiate it and give the woman a divorce but if neccessary his hand can be forced by rabbis etc.
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Ellsbells3032
Divorce is allowed in Judaism if there is a legitimate reason and everything has been done in order to preserve the marriage and there is little or no religious stigma attatched to it.

Technically the man has to initiate it and give the woman a divorce but if neccessary his hand can be forced by rabbis etc.


Can the woman initiate it or call for the divorce?
Reply 1599
Also I understand that married women don't show their real hair, and often wear a wig in public. Why not just cover the hair e.g. like you see with Hijabs, is there a specific reason for the wig?

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